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Post by adwn »

lollmao wrote: post #189

Unrelated, but why do people prefer to assume gender over just using gender-neutral pronouns? Not a native English speaker but I've seen this a lot, especially on HN even when there's no indication of subject's gender whatsoever. Or is it just weird to use they/them? Thanks

If I had written "Marak doesn't want to prevent big companies from using their code [...]", the gender-neutral "their" could have refered to the companies' code, giving the sentence a different, incorrect meaning. I would have had to completely restructure the sentence just to avoid the sin of accidentally misgendering someone; instead, I placed a "(?)" after the pronoun, to be on the safe side.

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Post by lollmao »

imtringued wrote: post #201
lollmao wrote: post #189

Unrelated, but why do people prefer to assume gender over just using gender-neutral pronouns? Not a native English speaker but I've seen this a lot, especially on HN even when there's no indication of subject's gender whatsoever. Or is it just weird to use they/them? Thanks

A lot of people simply know that he is male. The nypost article is pretty high up and refers to "him" and "he".

Note that the user I replied to didn't seem to be sure of it.

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Post by basedtho »

mhh__ wrote: post #117
krasin wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unreal Engine license is along these lines: it's free if you are small / no significant revenue, and it's 5% of your revenue otherwise. That said, not every shared-sources project would be used, if its license requires to pay royalty.

Unreal isn't open source

it may not be free software, but it is open source

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Post by andi999 »

ricardobeat wrote: post #134
SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open Source has nothing to do with Free Software. There is a plenty of OSS products which are not free to use.

That's not correct, those are not considered OSS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition

I am not really happy that a string of words which have an understandable meaning ('open' and 'source' leading to 'open source') has been hijacked by some foundation. I mean how would you phrase it if your customer wants to source to be open, but without the freedom of redistribution (because he doesnt want to pay for it).

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Post by mariusmarais »

bdcravens wrote: post #37
crooked-v wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that NPM hasn't done so before, I find it very unlikely they would do so now. More likely, the fork would become "faker2" if they don't want to come up with a new name.

I'm not sure they haven't. Their dispute process even outlines this as a use case: "This process is an excellent way to: Adopt an "abandoned" package" https://www.npmjs.com/policies/disputes

According to that document, they only take action after four weeks of no response from the original owner.

It doesn't say so explicitly, but to me it seems that a cordial "No" from the original author will probably be the end of it.

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Post by avhception »

kome wrote: post #151
Fordec wrote: post #52

I've been noticing more push back against the open source bargain lately. Years ago software was fully build on the backs of a multitude of giants within their niche domain. But for a while now large companies have been adopting a model of taking from open source contributions and raking in billions. The original social bargain of "pay it on" has been broken by the Bezos of the world raking in billions. And yes, as o…

"I've been noticing more push back against the open source bargain lately." it's open source vs. free software open source = free labor for private profits.

I think the term "free software" is a marketing failure because you'd always have to add "as in free speech, not free beer".

In German you can differentiate that, "frei" vs. "gratis".

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Post by tastroder »

wjnc wrote: post #169
arthurcolle wrote: post #102

On Twitter, he claims that he was recently made homeless due to an apartment fire, and asks the community to send funds to help him avoid homelessness, which seems reasonable enough. He later goes on to describe "fake news written by the NY Post." I searched for this, and found an article that might be the article he describes (timing fits) [0] Pretty crazy story, all in all! He seems to be in some pretty dire strait…

If the police would ransack my family home after a fire you could probably write the same article. Charred RPi's and lots of computer parts, enough wiring for a new house, lots of chemicals (cleaners, fertilizers, other chemical agents with regular gardening use cases), ultimate survival guide and related parts ("This guy was prepping for something!"). The naming of suspects is just adding insult to injury. If he's i…

Ah well, just saw the house fire tweet and sent him a few bucks. Guess I'm on one more list now.

There seem to be a few articles that are at least not half filled with the ramblings of an elderly neighbour:

https://www.qgazette.com/articles/more-charges-possible-for-...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8737513/NYPD-discov...

https://abc7ny.com/suspicious-package-queens-astoria-fire/64...

Emotional distress seems pretty normal after your house burns down and there's plenty of people in our community with hobbies that would be considered odd. Naming suspects in these cases seems so weird from a non-US perspective, there's not even been a court case.

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Post by cercatrova »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #138
rusk wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is wrong with saying “all rights reserved. You are free to use this software for educational and nonprofit purposes but once you start to make money off it you must request permission in writing” - I’ve seen a few licences like this. I guess the down sides are it might send some people elsewhere and you might be on your own trying to enforce it in court.

I think for a lot of companies that would be an instant turn-off, especially if they're still starting up. Besides, it would have to be a lot more formal; another commenter mentioned the Unreal Engine, which states something to the tune of "free to use until you earn over X, then you pay us Y% of your revenue". Cynically, open source libraries need to use the err, hook-and-sinker approach? Be really good at bootstrap…

> I think for a lot of companies that would be an instant turn-off, especially if they're still starting up.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want usage, you can make it MIT and then suffer while they capitalize your code (as they are with in their rights to do), or if you want protection but low usage, make it AGPL or proprietary even. I don't really see a scenario where you have high usage, high protection and also high profit from you selling your product, unless you are good at marketing and selling your product.

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Post by mathnmusic »

Fordec wrote: post #52

I've been noticing more push back against the open source bargain lately. Years ago software was fully build on the backs of a multitude of giants within their niche domain. But for a while now large companies have been adopting a model of taking from open source contributions and raking in billions. The original social bargain of "pay it on" has been broken by the Bezos of the world raking in billions. And yes, as o…

It's because we could never get users to care about open-source software. Users continue to lap up closed-source software and that's what leads to billions for these companies.

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Post by imtringued »

alangibson wrote: post #124

Has anyone ever heard of a service that allows users to attach bounties to issues? So if the open source developer fixes an issue, the developer gets the money offered by the issue reporter. Edit: Answering my own question. https://gitpay.me Doesn't appear to be too popular though: "We paid $2547 USD in bounties " Edit 2: No wonder it's not popular https://github.com/gitpay/website/pull/4

https://issuehunt.io/
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