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Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment app with no rooting

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Re: Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment app with no rooting

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Post by rusk »

fogihujy wrote: post #190
rusk wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s the cover story LOL

It's the official story, no matter how you put it. I'm not saying it's a good thing (in fact, I find it horrible), but it is what it is and I have no idea on how to turn that tide. There's a lot to be said about freedom of computing, but the fact remains that given the option to screw things up, then some people will do that. At the same time, we have a culture that incentivize catering to the non-technical users in…

I really think this line of thinking is overegged. It is one thing to make a device easy to use, yet quite another to lock them out for creative purposes.

Re: Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment app with no rooting

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Post by fogihujy »

heavyset_go wrote: post #205
fogihujy wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a part of the war on general purpose computing; it's a part of the effort to make Eternal September to end by making software that works for everyone. As it is, this entails limiting the users' freedom to tinker in such a way that they simply cannot screw things up no matter how hard they try. Because, you know, if users have that option, then someone will take advantage of it and screw things up. This li…

> As it is, this entails limiting the users' freedom to tinker in such a way that they simply cannot screw things up no matter how hard they try. I've had my parents on Ubuntu Linux for a while now for exactly this reason: no matter what they do, they aren't going to screw things up, even if they tried. It just works. So far there have been no complaints and no issues.

Ditto with my in-laws and Linux Mint. Thing is, they don't really care about tinkering (just like most people) and so they don't care. Allowing them to tinker would benefit them very little, while it would definitely increase the risk of them screwing things up.

Re: Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment app with no rooting

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Post by fogihujy »

rusk wrote: post #211
fogihujy wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the official story, no matter how you put it. I'm not saying it's a good thing (in fact, I find it horrible), but it is what it is and I have no idea on how to turn that tide. There's a lot to be said about freedom of computing, but the fact remains that given the option to screw things up, then some people will do that. At the same time, we have a culture that incentivize catering to the non-technical users in…

I really think this line of thinking is overegged. It is one thing to make a device easy to use, yet quite another to lock them out for creative purposes.

It's not about making things easy to use, but about making them harder to break. Creative tinkering is simply not taken into the consideration for most consumer products. Things like support load, RMA rate and consumer protection laws is.

Re: Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment app with no rooting

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Post by rusk »

fogihujy wrote: post #213
rusk wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really think this line of thinking is overegged. It is one thing to make a device easy to use, yet quite another to lock them out for creative purposes.

It's not about making things easy to use, but about making them harder to break. Creative tinkering is simply not taken into the consideration for most consumer products. Things like support load, RMA rate and consumer protection laws is.

Like I say. It’s a cover story. They could make devices serviceable at the same time but it is more convenient for them not to, and to even push the envelope of what’s acceptable.

Re: Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment app with no rooting

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Post by Valkhyr »

antman wrote: post #179

I run Jupyter Notebook python etc and create termux simple apps you even with a small web gui visible through my phone's browser. But due to the restrictions that were placed on Android a few years back I lost the capability to make system apps in python. I had a cleanup, backup, and could make custom interfaces enhance other applications using their sqlite data. I guess now I am protected, from me.

Don't you feel much safer now?

Re: Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment app with no rooting

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Post by Valkhyr »

rmorey wrote: post #3

see also: iSH for iOS ( https://ish.app/ )

iSH is great, I have it on my iPad (my phone is a Pixel with Termux), but performance is atrocious due to the emulation.

Maybe it's better on the most recent Apple SoCs, but on my iPad mini just opening a small text file in vim takes a second or two (instant on Termux/any other CLI I've used in the last decade.

Rsync is so slow as to be useless - I think because it takes forever to calculate the diff.

Re: Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment app with no rooting

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Post by Valkhyr »

fsflover wrote: post #19

It's much more convenient to use a native terminal on a GNU/Linux phone. Everything you would do on a desktop, you can do with it.

Agreed in principle.

Do you know any on-screen keyboard for mobile Linux that is as good as (or at least approached) Hacker's Keyboard on Android?

I have a Librem 5 on pre-order, and am following PureOS and PinePhone related development somewhat, but so far I have not seen an on-screen keyboard that gives you all the modifier/control keys (+ chording of keys) and arrow keys...without those, the CLI really is not very useful unless you're always going to use an external keyboard (doesn't make sense to me, it's no longer portable then) :-/

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