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Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

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Re: Fasting improves chemotherapy results and protects from side effects: study

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Post by feralimal »

Delk wrote: post #206
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Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I don't say that there are no good things coming out of the medical industry. Sometimes there are good things, and when it comes to bodily trauma, I think the medical profession is excellent at stitching people back together again. But I'm especially interested in wellness and optimal living. I genuinely don't feel the industry has anything to offer on that front. Food is probably th…

I don't know that particular theory, but I don't think it would really make sense to try and have a unified theory of disease, alternative or otherwise. (I don't think medical science really even tries to have one.) Various diseases have such different causes that we cannot really expect to proscribe a common theory to them. The symptoms of cold are mostly caused by the immune reaction (and medical doctors also ackno…

Thanks again for your thoughtful reply.

The terrain model is well worth looking into. It works of the principle that the body has all the abilities it needs to manage itself, but that issues arise when we overload it. So if we eat bad food, too many toxins, etc our system cannot cope and force a response. Initially that would be something like a cold. But when things are more serious, it progress and tries to isolate toxicity, hence cancer. Did you know that cancer does not survive in an alcaline environment? But that sugar, coffee, carbs, etc are acid forming?

I think your instinct is right about allowing a cold to proceed naturally. Medical intervention is not necessary. What you really want is dark mucus to be released - you are really clearing out your system at the point.

You are right to say that I am very cynical about big pharma. I am. There is simply no incentive for them to heal you, and every incentive for them to support you in a protracted disease. Their profits are best when they are managing you all the way down.

Unfortunately, if you are working on a very long term plan, and have huge resources, it isn't as complex as you think to create a situation where the medical establishment works in service of big pharma. You would need to capture the governance steering apparatus only - ie that bit that gets to say what is a valid treatment or not. And then you wait for that to feed through the system. I think that the US medical system has been run that way since 1940's.

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Post by ragazzina »

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How long do you need to fast for benefits? Is water the only supplement allowed? Curious

I have a book called Fasting and Eating for Health by Joel Fuhrman MD (ISBN 0-312-18719-X). In it, he recommends fasting for between 10 - 15 days around once every 10 years. I have actually completed a 10 day water only fast a few months ago (good use of lockdown), it takes my body around 4 to 5 days to switch completely to ketosis, then to the end of the fast I was burning through 1 pound/~0.5 kg of fat per day. You…

0.5kg of fat contain 4500 calories, how did you burn 4500 calories per day?

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Post by me_me_me »

hourislate wrote: post #193
me_me_me wrote: post #79

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> I've gone as long as 12 days with nothing but water. This is dangerous and please don't encourage others to do only water fast. Pure water fast is dangerous beyond 4 days or so. You need to supplement minerals while on per-longed fast. Salt, magnesium and potassium are vital to regulatory processes in your body. When your body uses up all reserves it will not be able to sustain those processes. It is serious busine…

I agree, a 12 day fast is dangerous and unnecessary. I was experimenting and would never do it again. Anything longer than a 3 day fast (72 hours) is not necessary.

I didn't say that exactly.

If you supplement minerals and listen to you body response, then you can fast as long as you have fat stores in your body.

Its only dangerous if you don't know what you are doing or ignoring signals from your body. Lightheadedness is common thing people report or /r/fasting/ and almost always they don't take salt while fasting.

But I am not an expert, it feels like I have done more reading about fasting then actual fasting. So don't take advice from strangers (especially /r/fasting or worse dryfasting nutcases).

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Post by shekharshan »

voisin wrote: post #202
shekharshan wrote: post #152

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I fast regularly and have a 5-6 hour eating window. During that window I just cannot eat more than 1500 calories. If typical caloric reduction can trigger starvation type response in the body, why does it not happen when we reduce calories during fasting?

Caloric restriction does not lead to an increase in Human Growth Hormone. There are a bunch of other hormonal changes that occur when the caloric input is zero, versus when it is something. That’s why study after study shows fasting is superior to caloric restriction.

Thanks @voisin, this is very helpful.

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Post by hispanic »

swarnie_ wrote: post #65
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while on fasts, you get an energy level and mental clarity that has to be felt to be believed. everyone should try it at least once.

Do you have any recommend resources around fasting? or a preferred routine? I'm very interested in reading more.

The resource I've heard recommended most often is "The Complete Guide to Fasting: Heal Your Body Through Intermittent, Alternate-Day, and Extended Fasting" by Fung and Moore. I just checked-out a copy from my library and will be reading it soon.

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Post by blithedale »

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I'm not convinced the 2/3 dropout rate of the FMD didn't simply select for people with less aggressive tumors, given that the Intention-To-Treat analysis found no difference in response rate, and that this paper is telling a nice story that actually happens to reverse cause and effect. Basically, this? HAS AGGRESSIVE TUMOR ---> CANNOT DO THE FMD HAS SLOW-GROWING TUMOR ---> ABLE TO MAINTAIN FMD Since you're researcher…

That could very well be a possibility and something that researchers need to address if they wish to investigate this effect a bit further. We can make some educated guesses based on the supplemental table 3. Looking at the staging, grading, tumortype and the hormone receptor status, there don't seem to be any significant differences between the compliant and non-compliant groups. We know that those are the most impo…

Thanks for clarifying comments here, much appreciated.

I have to think my initial comment was overly harsh as well, given Supplement 3.

I think all I can say is that it may be possible for this issue to affect their data once they have OS stats accumulated in five years, but it was unlikely to do anything to yield differences in adherence with these kinds of patients over this kind of follow-up length.

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Post by hengheng »

wonder_er wrote: post #146
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Why is it that as soon as cancer comes up as a topic, people stop exchanging arguments and start selling books instead, where normally they would be paraphrasing and occasionally referencing something.

I left a longer answer to a similar question here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24260568 A book is nothing but a long, detailed, carefully-researched argument. Or, at least the book I'm recommending is that. If there are words I can say to convince you to read the book, please tell me them. I'm literally paying people to read the book.[0] I would love suggestions on how to improve the average discourse on the…

Not buying from you, not helping you sell for free.

Idk what brought you on your mission, but your pitches interrupt discussions.

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Post by swarnie_ »

hispanic wrote: post #215
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Do you have any recommend resources around fasting? or a preferred routine? I'm very interested in reading more.

The resource I've heard recommended most often is "The Complete Guide to Fasting: Heal Your Body Through Intermittent, Alternate-Day, and Extended Fasting" by Fung and Moore. I just checked-out a copy from my library and will be reading it soon.

I have no idea what a library is but i found this on Amazon for 9 British Roubles.

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Post by king_panic »

snarf21 wrote: post #75
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I have fasted 100 lbs away over the last 2 years. I adhere to an 18/6 time delay eating schedule but have done 2-3 day fasts with 1 refeed meal for a month at a time. I've also done countless 5-7 day fasts. I've gone as long as 12 days with nothing but water. There were many months where I could count the number of times I ate on one hand. My last go was every other day with just one meal on my eating days. I did tha…

My understanding (and experience) is that this clarity is usually just about the lack of all the crap that normally makes you feel awful. Things like sugar, dairy, and processed grains plus preprocessed foods. I've always found that after 10 days, you start to feel amazing and do so for around two weeks more before your body starts to adjust.

That's true but it's also true that neurogenesis will start at some point during a fast. For me, it's around day 3 or 4. It's an evolutionary mechanism to form new connections in the brain to help find food/survive.
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