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Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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Post by netcraft »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #179
blendo wrote: post #164

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Even easier: just place the 20”x20” filter BEHIND the box fan. The vacuum will keep it in place nicely. Be sure to note the airflow direction arrows on the filter.

I put it behind the fan as well, but now I'm curious if there a difference in air quality between the two methods?

if the filter is the same distance from the fan, there really isn't much of a difference. Filter after the fan is perhaps a bit better from a turbulence and noise perspective. https://www.quora.com/Where-should-an-air-filter-be-placed-r...

One thing to keep in mind though is most filters have an expected direction of airflow, which does matter both to its efficacy and efficiency.

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Post by leftyted »

DaniloDias wrote: post #169
leftyted wrote: post #128

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I wrote this in response to your previous post, which was flagged: I don't think this rioting, violence, and general unrest should be compared to the Brown Shirts. Groups engaging in "antagonism and murder towards people they perceived as evil" are not uncommon in history. An analogy to the Nazis in the 30s seems out of place because, as you say, of everything that the Nazis did after the 30s. If you want to talk to…

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I think comparisons to the civil rights movements of the past are valid and I agree that current movements compare unfavorably to the past ones.

I'll just repeat that I think it's a significant mistake to make analogies to Nazis or Maoists.

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Post by londons_explore »

ipsum2 wrote: post #152
pc86 wrote: post #57

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Weren't these fires caused by a party?

This is a perfect illustration of how news and social media propagate false news while technically still being correct. The gender reveal party contributed to 8,600 acres on fire. However, >1 million acres were started by lightning[0], but get a lot less coverage unless you're in the affected areas. But the party gets more attention, because it's more interesting/easier to be outraged over that. 0: https://en.wikiped…

I'd be interested to see an analysis trying to track down the exact lightning bolt that started a fire. 100% of lightning bolts are now mapped by various open source websites to a precision of hundreds of yards. That, combined with lucky satellite shots a few hours afterwards should be enough to confirm the fire started in the same place as the lightning bolt.

Using that, it should be possible to identify what percentage of fires were in fact started by humans who were never identified (due to there being no lightning bolt within a few hours of the fire starting)

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Post by heavyset_go »

DaniloDias wrote: post #162
DanBC wrote: post #134

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> Do you reject the idea that there no parallels to the black bloc and the brown shirts behavior? Yes. It's very clear that organised violence in the US is overwhelmingly from the far right. Anyone denying this either isn't paying attention or is being dishonest.

Persuade me with documentation.

According to a 2017 report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office [1] "of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, right-wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent). The total number of fatalities is about the same for far right-wing violent extremists and radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period (106 and 119, respectively). However, 41 percent of the deaths attributable to radical Islamist violent extremists occurred in a single event—an attack on the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida in 2016."

In 2018, most ideologically motivated murders in the United States of America were linked to right-wing extremism [2].

As of 2020, right-wing terrorism accounted for the majority of terrorist attacks and plots in the US[3] and has killed more people in the continental United States since the September 11 attacks than Islamic terrorism [4].

[1] https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

[2] https://www.adl.org/murder-and-extremism-2018

[3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/27/us-far-right-v...

[4] https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/right-wing-terro...

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Post by throwawaysea »

AlexandrB wrote: post #210
throwawaysea wrote: post #202

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Cliff Mass is 100% right on comparing BLM protesters to brownshirts, and he was also specific in noting that he isn't describing all protesters. The relevant quote from his blog post is "Seattle's brownshirts have hidden within protest groups". Those who say this is an inappropriate comparison are gaslighting, as these criminals have a consistent track record of engaging in violence, intimidation, threats, and more.…

So if these incidences of harassment are evidence that BLM are "acting like brownshirts", prey tell to what should we compare the right wing groups that have spawned several fatal shooters?

That seems like whataboutism to me. What bearing does that have on the correctness of Cliff Mass's comparison of the subset of BLM protesters that engage in criminal activities and brownshirts?

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Post by nightfly »

gonehome wrote: post #183
tyleo wrote: post #2

I’m in the midsts of this right now and it’s depressing. I spent yesterday morning with a sore throat and itchy eyes and most of the afternoon hopelessly driving hours away for a box fan and furnace filter (I finally found them). All the while I should have been working. Some of my coworkers have complained of week-long headaches. If anyone else is suffering from this: you are not alone.

Why not order a few HEPA filter air purifiers? I have 4 (5th is on its way). They work extremely well and if you pair them with a Temptop AQI sensor you can see how well in real time: https://www.temtopus.com/collections/temtopus-pm2-5-pm10-mon... Those temptop sensors are great. I've previously had awair, foobot, and purple sensors which all sucked in different ways. Really long thread about this here: https://www.r…

Because, depending on where you are, they are all sold out.

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Post by pjc50 »

DaniloDias wrote: post #115
pravus wrote: post #106

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At least from my perspective this has been an ongoing problem for many years now and I would refer you to Godwin's law. There is this weird sort of mystique about Hitler and the Nazi Party that keep people entranced that it was "pure evil" rather than a decade-plus political process taking place in a very unique time of history with many other actors in play. You can't use any sort of "slippery slope" argument becaus…

Have you read the rise and Fall of the Third Reich? I appreciate your perspective on the incubation period of nazi Germany- but I think you are floating over some important events. These ‘brown shirts’ were citizen volunteer believers who evolved into a kind of political pressure group hitler could direct around. They would harass towns, intervene at businesses, assault and eventually murder people. They were not a p…

> Motivations are obviously not the same

You said it yourself. The political content of protests matters. Why not parallel with the Hong Kong protestors?

The brownshirts were paramilitaries operating in the open, in defense of the existing power structure. More in parallel to the KKK. After the ascent of Hitler, the police were explicitly forbidden from interfering with the assaults and murders.

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Post by grogenaut »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #171
t-writescode wrote: post #168

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That part, to me, is the least frustrating. I'm rather tired of having hot indoors because the PNW doesn't have air conditioning as standard in most of the apartments... It hasn't gone under 81 in my apartment since this whole smoke started; and my office tends to sit at 83 on the ground.

> the PNW doesn't have air conditioning as standard in most of the apartments That's because it wasn't necessary until the last 10 years or so. 90 degree days were uncommon and night temps would dip low enough to cool most places in the evening through the next morning.

It's still not really. We had 2 days over 90 in seattle, one in the smoke. And a few days at 88-89, in total I had 4 days where I turned on the window unit in my home office. If I wasnt on a deep coding problem I'd be out in the yard. 4 days a year isn't really justification for aircon

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Post by clairity »

gonehome wrote: post #200
clairity wrote: post #196

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wow, the temtop website sent my laptop fans spinning with all the crap it tries to load, and that my content blockers went into overdrive blocking (especially, and inexplicably, from reviewsimportify.com). still, i'm interested in getting a good pm2.5 monitor to pair with my air purifier, as air pollution is a much bigger issue than covid (air pollution certainly affects vast swaths of people across the world, persis…

The WiFi versions have negative value to me, the apps are usually terrible and they are almost impossible to pair (typically only have 2.4ghz radios). I went with the P10 which does exactly what I want (AQI and PM2.5). It looks nice, it works, and is highly visible from a distance (even has a 6hr battery which makes it easy to move between rooms). The only other one I'd consider is the one that does CO2. As a bonus t…

i guess i should have been more specific with my non-wifi version questions:

* is there a way to view sensor data historically and arbitrarily, preferably off device?

* is there a way to use it to control other devices (possibly via a home automation gateway) like my air purifier?

i see that it can be plugged in for power, but also has a battery, which is a nice feature. does that also allow for data transfer?

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Post by qqqwerty »

leftyted wrote: post #212
DaniloDias wrote: post #169

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I think comparisons to the civil rights movements of the past are valid and I agree that current movements compare unfavorably to the past ones. I'll just repeat that I think it's a significant mistake to make analogies to Nazis or Maoists.

MLK is being used disingenuously by the right[1]. He was treated very similar to BLM during his activism and his death was openly celebrated by some political figures on the right. BLM has very consciously decided to foster a leaderless movement to prevent the vilification tactics used by right wing media to discredit movements (see AOC, Hillary, Kaepernick, etc..)[2]

[1] https://therecount.com/watch/revisionist-history-martin-luth... [2] https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/22/black-lives-matter-...

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