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I find that policy entirely acceptable, for the same reasons I think shrink-wrap EULAs should be illegal. This makes me curious about Apple and iOS / OS X. Does Apple try to require that the user accepts an EULA for the OS after buying Apple hardware?
It's a very good policy, I wish they'd follow it for their own systems. To download free apps off the Mac app store I need to set up an account and provide Apple with an email address, physical address, and phone number. Apps like the Wireguard GUI don't have access to necessary system APIs outside of the app store, so the developers have no way to allow users to sidestep giving Apple that information. I'm forced to…
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find that policy entirely acceptable, for the same reasons I think shrink-wrap EULAs should be illegal. This makes me curious about Apple and iOS / OS X. Does Apple try to require that the user accepts an EULA for the OS after buying Apple hardware?
It's a very good policy, I wish they'd follow it for their own systems. To download free apps off the Mac app store I need to set up an account and provide Apple with an email address, physical address, and phone number. Apps like the Wireguard GUI don't have access to necessary system APIs outside of the app store, so the developers have no way to allow users to sidestep giving Apple that information. I'm forced to…
I read the requirement as not applying to free apps. You can either require people to give you info to monetize or you can charge a fee, but not both.
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For anyone who didn't believe above and wanted to verify: https://www.americansabroad.org/us-taxes-abroad-for-dummies-... And US isn't alone nation in this.
Any idea on where I could read more about this? in particular, what happens to people with two nationalities (i.e. US + another one)?
If the nations have a tax treaty, you are usually not double taxed on income below some threshold. Last I checked, it was around the first $100k or so worldwide income, for US taxes anyway. After that, you are taxed at some rate, but I’m not sure if it is reduced at all or how different forms of income may affect this.
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Under the GDPR it is permitted to keep PII, resposibly, if that PII is used for conducting normal business, which should ideally be anonymised. Arguably, apps that you have downloaded from an online store fall under this category. You can close an AppleID, thereby deleting donload info, but you'll lose access to the apps that you have purchased, including IAPs. There is absolutely a discussion to be had around that,…
> You can close an AppleID, thereby deleting donload info That's not what GDPR requires. I am sure Apple has a way to request to delete sensitive info such as app purchases without loss of service, or else they d be in violation in EU. > to aim at Apple is to ask if the data is anonymised. I can't see a way in which my app purchases could be anonymized (then it wouldn't be personal information)
Let's form the issue here using an example from the regulation:
A bank holds personal data about its customers. This includes details of each customer’s address, date of birth and mother’s maiden name. The bank uses this information as part of its security procedures. It is appropriate for the bank to retain this data for as long as the customer has an account with the bank. Even after the account has been closed, the bank may need to continue holding some of this information for legal or operational reasons for a further set time.
Based on that, I'd suggest its entirely reqasonable to posit:
An online app store holds personal data about it's customers. This includes payment information and a list of apps that have been purchased, including free apps, and which of those apps have been downloaded. It is appropriate for the app store to maintain this information so they can allow the customer to install apps on their devices and link in app purchased made in those apps to the correct account. Even after the app has been removed from a device, the app store may need to continue holding some of this information for legal and/or operation reasons.
Arguing that app store purchases are sensitive is some what missing the wood for the trees. What matters is what is done with the information. If Apple (or Google, Sony and Microsoft - they all run similar stores) use this in an attempt to target app store recommendations, the negative inpact on the individual is extremely debatable, certainly from the point-of-view of GDPR. If they are using the information to build a profile of an individual to sell access to that individual to 3rd parties, then there is a problem.
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#215I've always wondered why do companies call it "opt" in if it's not optional?
It is optional, of course. The other option is to not use the app.
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I find that policy entirely acceptable, for the same reasons I think shrink-wrap EULAs should be illegal. This makes me curious about Apple and iOS / OS X. Does Apple try to require that the user accepts an EULA for the OS after buying Apple hardware?
It's a very good policy, I wish they'd follow it for their own systems. To download free apps off the Mac app store I need to set up an account and provide Apple with an email address, physical address, and phone number. Apps like the Wireguard GUI don't have access to necessary system APIs outside of the app store, so the developers have no way to allow users to sidestep giving Apple that information. I'm forced to…
> Apps like the Wireguard GUI don't have access to necessary system APIs outside of the app store
Wait, on macOS? You’re saying the store gives you extra permissions there?
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Do you think you can fight this out in court against Apple?
It has been possible to run OSX on PCs for quite a few years now courtesy of the Clover and OpenCore apps. There have been countless Github projects, websites, forums etc dedicated to providing material assistance in using them. At no point has Apple ever gone after the websites or individuals despite it being fairly trivial to do so e.g. DCMA or cease and desist letter. In fact Craig Federighi has gone on the record…
I strongly suspect that this is not the kind of hacking around he is describing.
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This has been my experience, as well. I once had to delete an entire bug fix version, and turn it into a feature version, because I "shouldn't" have done something (can't remember what, exactly -I'd have to go digging through the commit comments to find it, and I don't want to do that).
Apple says bug-fixes will no longer be held up by rule violations.
Says, but we’re still waiting to see if this will hold out in practice.
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> Pretty sure... Now you know that you were wrong. Windows allows you to disable telemetry and certainly doesn't report apps you install to Microsoft if you don't want it to. Same for Android and obviously for desktop and server Linux distros. This is simply not possible on iOS.
You can install apps on iOS without using the store. And if you are willing to jailbreak then you have the full suite.
“Willing to” is not “able to”.