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Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by senojretep356 » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 11:20 PM UTC

fma wrote: post #72

balola wrote: post #64

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The thing is, there's hardly anything outside GFW that an average Chinese would want, local alternatives often are feature rich and considered "more advanced", outside news are dismissed as "obscenely fake and hostile". In the few Chinese that do pay for VPNs, most women use it to access Instagram for celebrities, most men for porn on Twitter.

You're talking about the ecosystem in 2020, after the market is mature. Facebook was blocked by China in 2009. WeChat wasn't even started till 2011.

Exactly. People are missing the point that bringing in new customers is a lot harder if you have to go through a number of additional loops to install an app and even find out about it. Local rivals have a massive leg up. Over time, once local rivals develop and they are easily accessible and feature rich, then people will stop using the Chinese apps. Just look at the latest YC batch which was full of Indian startups.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by saagarjha » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 11:22 PM UTC

connectsnk wrote: post #191

pagan42 wrote: post #154

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Please cite your sources, exactly and to the point. Lockdown if executed in any way would have been abused by the people. People went on a rampage in *religious ( Taliban linked)" gatherings, India didn't had much cases but these bunch of people made sure the cases spread. It's the people to he blamed for the lockdown spread

Dont know why this is being downvoted. Sounds like a reasonable argument

Asking people to cite their sources without presuming good faith is not very welcome here.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by ganeshkrishnan » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 11:28 PM UTC

ignoramous wrote: post #91

https://internetfreedom.in is doing important work in challenging the Indian government's surveillance and censorship apparatus. If you're passionate about this, consider donating to them and/or participating in the conversation. They're active, from time to time, on r/India as well. (not affiliated with them in anyway or form, but I do work on anti-censorship tech).

/r/india is very toxic and the mods are on powertrip.

try /r/indiadiscussion which is right leaning or /r/unitedstatesofindia which claims to be center

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by metta2uall » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 11:29 PM UTC

phre4k wrote: post #208

qppo wrote: post #202

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How do you verify the chip on a schematic is the chip on the device you purchase?

X-ray it.

From my very basic understanding X-ray doesn't reveal silicon doping layers

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by chillacy » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 11:43 PM UTC

sova wrote: post #102

jeswin wrote: post #31

What I wish India would do is this: force Chinese phone companies to ship stock Android and full source code. They sell hundreds of millions of phones in India and will have to find middle ground, and the outcome will be good for everyone.

Okay, source code, then what about chip schematics and everything on the hardware layer you can't audit for?

Firmware presents an extra challenge too, seeing as how you basically can't see what was flashed, and most toolchains are proprietary.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by outworlder » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 12:14 AM UTC

tasogare wrote: post #199

ospider wrote: post #193

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Wait a minute. What about China banning Facebook and Google? I mean Chinese government may be evil, but let's not keep double standards here.

I don’t understand the argument you are trying to make. Yes, China bans Google and Facebook, and it’s legitimate as they are a sovereign nation. Are you in fact advocating for those two companies to be allowed in China? If I recall correctly Google even banned itself from there because they didn’t wanted to comply with local regulations.

Google ceased operations AND was banned too.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by saagarjha » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 12:17 AM UTC

shklnrj wrote: post #30

throwaway4good wrote: post #14

Where is the Indian opposition on this? Are they fully behind Modi's nationalism? There is a raging pandemic. Massive recession. Potential war with China. Internet bans. Crackdown in Kashmir. There has to be some questions?

This is not related to any nationalism. Its the response of a sovereign nation in order to secure the data of its citizens which might face 'potential war with China'. Its logical. If you apply logic.

Your comment would be significantly improved without the last part.

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Post by ospider » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 12:18 AM UTC

tasogare wrote: post #199

ospider wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait a minute. What about China banning Facebook and Google? I mean Chinese government may be evil, but let's not keep double standards here.

I don’t understand the argument you are trying to make. Yes, China bans Google and Facebook, and it’s legitimate as they are a sovereign nation. Are you in fact advocating for those two companies to be allowed in China? If I recall correctly Google even banned itself from there because they didn’t wanted to comply with local regulations.

I keep hearing people saying it's wrong that China bans Google and Facebook. But why it's OK for India to ban Chinese apps? What is the difference here?

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by jariel » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 12:20 AM UTC

jeswin wrote: post #31

What I wish India would do is this: force Chinese phone companies to ship stock Android and full source code. They sell hundreds of millions of phones in India and will have to find middle ground, and the outcome will be good for everyone.

The issue is not hardware or OS software, it's content control.

CCP has a unit within almost every Chinese company making sure they adhere to CCP policy it's impossible to avoid when data is on the other side of the fence.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by chillacy » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 12:27 AM UTC

d3nj4l wrote: post #74

sremani wrote: post #36

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If it is pure unadulterated nationalism, only one country would not be targeted. It is fair to say, China is a Clear and Present danger to Indian Union and in a war-like state banning games should not be that controversial. You do not want to fund the bullets being shot at your soldiers as much as possible.

Nationalist countries often have "the enemy". It used to be Pakistan for India until very recently. Now it's China, only because of recent events, and there aren't very many Pakistani apps to ban either.

All countries which play the geopolitical game have "enemies". Pakistan and China are geopolitical allies, the Belt and Road initiative runs through Pakistan while Pakistan provides a port to China. The two states have very little in common ideologically, but as is the norm in geopolitics, common interests usually trump ideology.