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Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Post by asveikau »

chrisco255 wrote: post #60
Press2forEN wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meat has been a global climate catastrophe wrapped in a corn tortilla. The production of meat is literally killing us, and I'm sorry but its worth taking away traditional cuisines so that humanity doesn't go extinct.

No, sorry. Cows and other ruminants have been part of the ecosystem for tens of millions of years. They're extremely good for the soil and for the environment and it turns out humans are highly evolved to eat meat. We invented fire and hunting tools for it hundreds of thousands of years ago. It's one of the most nutrient dense and healthy foods you can consume as long as you don't add a bunch of crap to it. Humanity…

It's funny you mention cows specifically, because I tend to think of beef as one of the less healthy meats compared to others. And I know there is a lot of criticism of beef production from environmentalists, but I am not too steeped in that literature.

A lot of Mexican dishes I most readily think of are more about pork and chicken than beef.

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Post by amelius »

thewickedaxe wrote: post #10

This law is way way way overdue. American Corporations are killing Mexico's youth with junk food. I know kids who exclusively drink soda. Healthy, beautiful kids who deserve to go out and play and live their best lives.

Most kinds of soda are available in sugar-free form, so drinking soda shouldn't be the problem.

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Post by brundolf »

vmchale wrote: post #194
x87678r wrote: post #183

Can we ban sugary breakfasts too? Captain Crunch, Froot Loops & their ilk should be illegal.

Are they really that bad? I mean Froot Loops are weird but you don't really eat them often?

I had cereal (usually sugary) for breakfast basically every day for about the first 20 years of my life. I don't think this is terribly uncommon. If it weren't for my mild lactose-intolerance I might never have switched to greek yogurt.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

partyboat1586 wrote: post #187
Dylan16807 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That goes against everything I've been told about the types of fats. How much evidence is there for this?

Take it for what it is: http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtml

> When unsaturated oils are exposed to free radicals they can create chain reactions of free radicals

This seems like the most important claim and also has no citations.

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Post by bkor »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #169
buran77 wrote: post #152

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Parenting issue or not we protect children with laws all the time. Think no further than alcohol and tobacco products whose sale to minors is banned. Sure we could say "where are the parents" but that's not how reality works and good solutions are the one that work in reality not on paper. Without legal push to make everyone work in unison there will always be an entity (a corporation) willing to invest enough to pus…

You're ignoring the point. The issue is one of culture (and parenting when it comes to children), in Mexico and in all other countries. Corporations are an easy scapegoat that also fits a political ideology on the left. It's also a complete fallacy to claim that people cannot see through things. People are not stupid they know that it is their diet that makes them fat. People deserve at least this credit and respect.…

> Corporations are an easy scapegoat that also fits a political ideology on the left.

Calling things 'left', 'ideology', 'fallacy' and randomly saying things are 'completely different' aren't great arguments if you keep it at statements instead of an argument.

Marketing is _very_ effective. Further, people are paid for to ensure it is effective. Having rules to restrict that behaviour does go against some peoples idea of what a government should do. IMO that's exactly what the government should do, protect the people (among other things!).

> When it comes to children parents won't be blamed (although they should be) because this is not good to win votes.

You're making this a parent thing, and an either/or thing. It's much easier to do multiple things at the same time. Ensure parents are educated, ensure children cannot be marketed.

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Post by Barrin92 »

novaRom wrote: post #206
jeffreyrogers wrote: post #86

This is a good idea, and the people in the comments are rightly pointing out sugar's problems. But just as problematic as sugar are vegetable oils which are in almost every packaged product you can buy at the grocery store. They cause all sorts of health problems because the vegetable oils are extremely reactive (due to being unsaturated fats and so having double bonds that can react with other molecules inside your…

Why anything containing psychoactive drug is actually legal to sell to kids? There's a lot of reports how bad is caffeine to underdeveloped brain. And look at any developing nation: everyone is hooked to Coca-Cola.

I don't know what the reports are about, but I don't think there is evidence that caffeine has negative impact on adolescent brains, most of the issues seem to be caffeine pills or caffeine drinks mixed with alcohol.

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Post by tpush »

partyboat1586 wrote: post #187
Dylan16807 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That goes against everything I've been told about the types of fats. How much evidence is there for this?

Take it for what it is: http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtml

This reads like some nutrition grifter satire.

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Post by ac29 »

mam2 wrote: post #190
jeffreyrogers wrote: post #86

This is a good idea, and the people in the comments are rightly pointing out sugar's problems. But just as problematic as sugar are vegetable oils which are in almost every packaged product you can buy at the grocery store. They cause all sorts of health problems because the vegetable oils are extremely reactive (due to being unsaturated fats and so having double bonds that can react with other molecules inside your…

the problem is the lack of understanding of CICO in the CULTUREof the country. Any other explanation is hiding the truth for some half-reasoning which mich the real point

Maybe so, although CICO (calories in, calories out) is a little oversimplified. In reality not all calories are equally satiating, nor are all calories equally digestible.

Additionally, measuring calories in food is done in a purely chemical fashion - the food is burned and the amount of heat energy released is measured. This of course does not actually measure how much energy your body is actually able to absorb (for example, dietary fiber burns just as well as refined sugar, but isnt absorbed the same in the body).

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Post by joecool1029 »

novaRom wrote: post #206
jeffreyrogers wrote: post #86

This is a good idea, and the people in the comments are rightly pointing out sugar's problems. But just as problematic as sugar are vegetable oils which are in almost every packaged product you can buy at the grocery store. They cause all sorts of health problems because the vegetable oils are extremely reactive (due to being unsaturated fats and so having double bonds that can react with other molecules inside your…

Why anything containing psychoactive drug is actually legal to sell to kids? There's a lot of reports how bad is caffeine to underdeveloped brain. And look at any developing nation: everyone is hooked to Coca-Cola.

> There's a lot of reports how bad is caffeine to underdeveloped brain.

Not going to do well on this site if you make baseless nonsensical claims like that.

Paper[1] from 2009 stating that: 1. We actually use caffeine as a first-line treatment in premature infants for treating apnea and 2. Nobody has done the research on adolescents to assess any negative impact on brain development.

[1] https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.neubiorev.2009.01.001

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