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I fear App Review is getting too powerful (2015) [pdf]

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Post by pier25 »

madeofpalk wrote: post #186
alerighi wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not use the web as the standard? I mean progressive web apps can do nearly everything that 95% of the apps do, they can present notifications, have a local persistent storage, there are even proposal to let them access bluetooth, USB and other hardware. But of course now Apple is trying to oppose PWA by imposing stupid limitations.

they just aren't good enough. even on android, with google supposedly being the patron saint of PWA, native apps just offer a better experience.

OTOH more effort hasn't been put into PWAs (by developers and Google) precisely because these won't work properly in iOS.

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Post by greatjack613 »

greatjack613 wrote: post #212

I honestly feel the best option would be for spotify, netflix, microsoft, facebook, epic, and all other companies who have been burned by apple to pull their apps indefinitely. Sort of like a hunger strike. I am confident apple will cave first.

Imagine telling someone with an iphone that there is no facebook, whatsapp, spotify, or netflix. I think android would gain a huge boost from this.

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Post by refulgentis »

WWLink wrote: post #78
csa wrote: post #42

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> Apple executives ordered the elimination of apps that drove downloads to the App Store. He said "Your app drove download volume. Apple doesn’t want any outside sources to drive ratings. So yeah, we got rid of all app recommendation apps." He said he thought it was unfair, but this was something. Seems like an app recommendation app.

I wouldn't mind one of those. Especially if it helped me find games that don't have in-app purchases and don't have in-game advertising. I'd buy those. But it's fucking impossible to find them.

There was an insanely popular one, TouchArcade, that died because of the same burst of action by Apple. Crazy to see this come full circle, TouchArcade was run by one of the most loyal and oldest Apple blogs, MacRumors.

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Post by ThatPlayer »

NorwegianDude wrote: post #173
halfFact wrote: post #163

Don't all users understand this before giving Apple money? No sympathy here. Make people use web apps instead of feeding the beast.

Good luck with web apps on iOS. Safari is a shitshow with more serious bugs than anything else I know of. You can report bugs, and maybe someone working on WebKit will look at it in 5 years, and maybe it will be fixed in 10 years. And then probably appear again in the next iOS version. Either Apple is incompetent, or they're making/keeping it bad on purpose.

Basic feature support is missing too. Every native app can do push notifications and so can every other browser, yet Apple still haven't added support for it in Safari.

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Post by eptcyka »

nautilus12 wrote: post #203
tr33house wrote: post #199

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you've really had it rough. I guess the lesson to all of us is to never rely on third-party platforms as much as possible

Should also be a lesson to anyone trying to build a third party platform that if you build a walled garden, people will start to resent it

Conversely, we wouldn't be here bickering about such platforms if it wasn't immensely profitable. So, depending on your morals, it's a lesson on what to aim for. I wouldn't run a platform that stifles use, but I'm sure there are industrious people who will be able to exploit such a business _device_ to bring more good into the world.

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Post by zepto »

seslaire wrote: post #162
zepto wrote: post #146

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Do you think it’s possible to enter a credit card number into a steaming video of ‘friends’? A steaming app (game or not) can pop up a fraudulent credit card payment interface at any time.

What capabilities would the streamed app have for deception that a website lacks?

None. That’s the point. Both can deceive you in ways that App Store Apps cannot.

One reason people spend so much money in the App Store is because it is relatively safe to do so.

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Post by WWLink »

Tarsul wrote: post #129
WWLink wrote: post #78

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I wouldn't mind one of those. Especially if it helped me find games that don't have in-app purchases and don't have in-game advertising. I'd buy those. But it's fucking impossible to find them.

actually another HNer started a website exactly for this purpose after the idea resonated in another thread (don't remember the thread; user is stavros): https://nobsgames.stavros.io/

Oooh thanks! That's super useful!

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Post by zepto »

jonny_eh wrote: post #164
zepto wrote: post #146

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Do you think it’s possible to enter a credit card number into a steaming video of ‘friends’? A steaming app (game or not) can pop up a fraudulent credit card payment interface at any time.

Netflix offers "interactive movies", and those are apparently ok, for some reason.

That’s a fair point. At some point far down the road of complexity, those could cross into the territory of ‘gaming’.

But Netflix can read the same rules the rest of us can, and know that they signed a contract that doesn’t allow App storefronts.

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Post by zepto »

Hamuko wrote: post #137
viro wrote: post #130

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are you really comparing video to executable code?

Am I comparing streaming video to streaming video? Why yes, I am.

You keep repeating this, but at this point it’s hard to imagine that you really see no difference in either the technology or the experience between what Netflix does and what xCloud does.

Do you really not see that there is a difference between watching a movie, and controlling a remote video console which is playing a fully interactive video game?

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