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I can't believe it took so long for Apple to add SSDs to the basic configuration. I had the misfortune of coming into a company who purchased 2017 21" iMacs and they were almost worthless with how slow the fusion drive is.

You can upgrade to SSD. It's not supported but it's possible with normal tools.

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Interesting how much emphasis they put on the camera, speakers, and mic People realized how crappy the camera (an well mic) was on Macs compared to other computers now that we are all video conferencing. Its sad that every PC user with a Logitech looked much better.

The original Apple FireWire webcam was very good, with a large, motorized lens. Despite boasting higher resolution, I doubt many modern webcams are as good, especially integrated ones.

I had that camera. It was better than its contemporaries, but definitely not as good as even the mediocre built-in cameras today.

Here's an article with screenshots: https://www.macworld.com/article/3018431/in-praise-of-the-gl...

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I still find it fascinating how the choice of Intel chip generation is almost an afterthought (well, maybe only for a minority, but do most buyers look carefully? are they aware?) in the difference between models or computers when you click to buy something. Is this a strategy of Apple (or Intel) to be able to get people to ignore (and therefore they can optimize the cost of) the generation of chip used? It's almost…

I think so, the only time Apple seems to have highlighted the use of Intel chips was during the transition from PowerPC architecture. They focus on the value of the computer as the entire package.

Interesting deviation is how they've been highlighting the performance of the A-series chips since the A7.

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> The 27-inch iMac now comes standard with SSDs across the line Well. Wow. > Apple today also announced that its 21.5-inch iMac will come standard with SSDs across the line for the first time. Double wow I'll be holding out for complete iMac redesign with ARM. I'm hoping something will be announced at their event?

I had the same reaction. It pains me to use a machine that has a HDD... I had no idea that Apple were selling new, £1000+ machines that relied in spinning rust.

If Apple sold a decent £1000 machine then they wouldn't sell £1800 machines.

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“SSDs across the line with quadruple the storage” 1/4 TB of storage in the $1800 model, 1/2 TB in the $2300 one. Ugh. (So before the lower-end one had 64GB? [Edit: Nope, 1 TB Fusion Drive, thanks smnrchrds!] That would be FULL just from installing the one game the press release mentions.) What kind of magic fairy dust SSDs are they using that you can't have a sensible amount of storage space at those prices? Looking…

> So before the lower-end one had 64GB? No, the lower end ones came with "Fusion Drive", that was 32-128 GB of SSD merged with a 1TB HDD presented as a single disk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_Drive

They dropped down to less than that in the middle, almost completely negating their benefit since everything something you needed would always end up on the slow spinny drive :/

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I'm sitting here on a 2012 imac with a fusion drive. This drive never seemed to give much performance but it absolutely tanked once it converted to APFS. The computer became unusable to the point that I had to buy an external SSD and use that as my main disk. Now i'm very disappointed that it doesn't support Big Sur despite being only 8 years old. I will wait for the apple silicon because i don't anticipate that inte…

I'm also on a 27" 2012 iMac. Have 32gb inside. I've had the internal drive fail a few times, once under warranty - another time due to age. I'm about to transition to an external SSD as my boot drive since the SSD part of the fusion drive is on its last legs, and keep the internal 6tb HDD for storage. When Apple silicon rolls around, I'm planning to update. Apart from the drives, the machine has been a total rock. No performance issues, apart from when the drives had their issues, but hard to complain this deep into its lifespan.

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Plenty of Mac users with a logitech as well ;-) works just fine.

Right, but having an integrated camera that is absolutely awful completely defeats the point of having that there in the first place. It really noticeable when you Facetime with someone on an iPhone and you compare the video quality of the two.

Which is riddiculous, because if they can fit good front camera in iPhone they should be able to do that in the much bigger device, like laptop, right?

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It will almost certainly be a low end macbook. In fact, there's a non-pro 'macbook'[0] that already exists which would be perfect, it was discontinued a year ago, but used ultra-low power CPUs. In fact when they were talking about them (prior to release) they thought they would have ARM CPU's back then. They are fanless and have a 5W thermal envelope, which fits in with the current A12X too. The major criticisms of t…

the 12" macbook is my favorite laptop of all time. Mine is the 2016 version and it's starting to feel dated and I'm hoping that they rerelease this on the new silicon first. I'll be smashing the buy button the day it's out.

what were the thermals like?

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the 12" macbook is my favorite laptop of all time. Mine is the 2016 version and it's starting to feel dated and I'm hoping that they rerelease this on the new silicon first. I'll be smashing the buy button the day it's out.

I think my favorite computer was my late-2010 MacBook Air. It was such a departure from the big & clunky Windows laptops I'd owned up until that time. And of course I have fond memories of my first computer, an IBM PC Jr (although I really wanted the 2nd disk drive, and copying floppy disks with only one drive & 128kb of RAM was suboptimal).

The Air series we’re solid machines for a good while until they stopped updating them. It was such a good price/performance/portability balance that I didn’t miss having a Pro machine for a few years there, even doing relatively heavy tasks like photo editing and development.

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Schools need Macs at that price point or they can’t buy them .

What do you mean by that?

Schools like buying Macs, and they don't particularly care about performance. The low-end iMac has always been a top seller to lower education because a kid isn't going to complain that their computer takes four minutes to boot.
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