Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone • Hacker News Board

Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone

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Post by dylan604 » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 1:06 AM UTC

phelix001 wrote: post #204

dylan604 wrote: post #130

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What kind of NDAs did they force on you? It's one thing to walk away silently, but you know they just filled your role with someone else with less morals. The other option is scorched earth similar to the recent news articles where there were blog posts publicly shaming the company. Wondering what kind of in between options are available. Anonymous posts are a start at least to get the inquisitive types to look in th…

Just a reminder that illegal contracts are unenforceable. An NDA to cover-up a conspiracy to infringe on civil rights by agents of the state won't stand up in court.

That may be, but it would be equally telling to see how much they try to bully the outgoing employees.

Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone

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Post by ta17711771 » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 4:00 AM UTC

8note wrote: post #209

zamadatix wrote: post #89

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Since Android 9 there is an option to use randomized MACs for the actual connection (not just probing).

Who's to say that a stingray won't overwrite those settings though?

The AOSP security model.

Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone

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Post by Teever » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 6:16 AM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #158

MacSystem wrote: post #39

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I'm also glad you did that, we need more more people like you.

Did you miss the part where he is replaced by someone with little to no ethics or morals and will implement whatever is asked without second thought?

But will they be as capable?

That person will be their second choice after all.

Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone

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Post by vanusa » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 5:25 PM UTC

jijji wrote: post #155

vanusa wrote: post #103

So - what countermeasures do people recommend? Is there anything one can carry around that acts like "phone" but is somehow less trackable?

you could try to prevent the phone from attaching to the fake cell tower, and only attach to a whitelisted cell tower... that method isnt that easy to do with most phones

Are there any phones that support tower whitelisting (or blacklisting)?

And if so, where would one get such lists?

Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone

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Post by triceratops » Sun, Aug 09, 2020, 7:46 PM UTC

8note wrote: post #206

triceratops wrote: post #145

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> Why don't cell networks get shut down more often during large protests etc.? What problem are you trying to solve, exactly?

The problem that people are allowed to disrupt society? Not everyone values free speech and rights to association

Protests are supposed to be disruptive. That's literally the point of them. They're trying to bring about a change in the status quo.

If you're American, I wonder what your thoughts are about the Boston Tea Party.