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Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by castevictim »

newyankee wrote: post #209
castevictim wrote: post #202

I think the lack of geographical proximity to Jio, didn't give Mr. Ben the complete picture of the forces at play. The story of Jio (Reliance) cannot be told without the political-corruption-nexus in India, by investing in Jio - Facebook, Google, Qualcomm etc. not only acquire stake in 'The Enterprise' of India but also guaranteed of political favors apart from access to data from millions of Indians through a single…

The auction irregularity conducted by the alleged Shell company which was bought by JIO and highlighted by CAG was done in 2010. This was the era of UPA2. Stop bashing BJP with over exaggerations. It is pretty well understood that Ambani is close to all political parties in India.

Proportion and depth matters.

>The auction irregularity conducted by the alleged Shell company which was bought by JIO and highlighted by CAG was done in 2010

CAG highlighted irregularity with so many other things with the auction and top ruling party-alliance members were booked for scam, why didn't BJP take further action on this report then?

Meanwhile, Airtel/Vodafone (Competitors to Jio) have been asked to pay $ 12.3 Billion AGR dues after supreme court order. This wouldn't have happened if the ruling BJP Govt. had respected the order of TDSAT (Telecom Disputes Settlement and Appellate Tribunal) which stayed the payments in 2015 in favor of said telecom companies.

This kind of blatant favoritism for Reliance, Adani etc. leading to total destruct ion of competitive business environment in India did not happen before.

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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harsh3195 wrote: post #206
castevictim wrote: post #202

I think the lack of geographical proximity to Jio, didn't give Mr. Ben the complete picture of the forces at play. The story of Jio (Reliance) cannot be told without the political-corruption-nexus in India, by investing in Jio - Facebook, Google, Qualcomm etc. not only acquire stake in 'The Enterprise' of India but also guaranteed of political favors apart from access to data from millions of Indians through a single…

For decades? I think that's a gloomy thought. But these companies do have lobbies in all political parties. So whose in power won't make much of a difference.

>So whose in power won't make much of a difference.

It does, depending upon whether a party has a moral ceiling. Whether there's something which they wouldn't do. Unfortunately, there is no such limit for a party which does not believe in democracy.

Why has India dropped in democracy ratings drastically?[0]

What's worrying is, now that BJP has taught other parties how India's democracy can be broken, even if by some miracle some other party comes to power, it will do the same. So, I will agree with you then.

But, that's not going to happen as BJP has ensured that no elections in future would be fair[1].

[0]https://www.oneindia.com/india/democracy-index-2019-india-sl...

[1]https://www.newindianexpress.com/business/2020/jul/15/asian-....

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by known »

castevictim wrote: post #202

I think the lack of geographical proximity to Jio, didn't give Mr. Ben the complete picture of the forces at play. The story of Jio (Reliance) cannot be told without the political-corruption-nexus in India, by investing in Jio - Facebook, Google, Qualcomm etc. not only acquire stake in 'The Enterprise' of India but also guaranteed of political favors apart from access to data from millions of Indians through a single…

What else can we expect when 50% Ministers in Modi Cabinet are Brahmin and 80% Judges in Courts are Brahmin; And Brahmin are just 3% in India; https://archive.is/ojjbF

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by QuesnayJr »

newyankee wrote: post #46
nktsg wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicely put. I think the idea of disruptive innovation by technology is very much influenced by the industrial revolution in the west. And only now is that we've started to discuss in public domain the consequences of it on nature and our species. Sadly, most of the Indian entrepreneurs today are still influenced by the Western model of technical innovation and disruption having blind spots about how to use technology…

A lot of Indian entrepreneurs who have grown in cities do not even understand the problems of the real India and blindly copy western solutions in many cases. Dining at an upscale restaurant or shopping at a fancy retailer in a swanky neighborhood you can see how weird some of the solutions are.

How are cities in India not the "real India"?

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by castevictim »

known wrote: post #213
castevictim wrote: post #202

I think the lack of geographical proximity to Jio, didn't give Mr. Ben the complete picture of the forces at play. The story of Jio (Reliance) cannot be told without the political-corruption-nexus in India, by investing in Jio - Facebook, Google, Qualcomm etc. not only acquire stake in 'The Enterprise' of India but also guaranteed of political favors apart from access to data from millions of Indians through a single…

What else can we expect when 50% Ministers in Modi Cabinet are Brahmin and 80% Judges in Courts are Brahmin; And Brahmin are just 3% in India; https://archive.is/ojjbF

Add to that, judicial system which is statistically proven to be Brahminical[0].

But in jail two-third of prisoners are Dalits, tribals and from Other Backward Classes (OBCs), 19% are Muslims[1].

[0]https://www.huffingtonpost.in/suraj-yengde/theres-a-caste-bi...

[1]https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/majo...

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by rusticpenn »

unmole wrote: post #208
castevictim wrote: post #202

I think the lack of geographical proximity to Jio, didn't give Mr. Ben the complete picture of the forces at play. The story of Jio (Reliance) cannot be told without the political-corruption-nexus in India, by investing in Jio - Facebook, Google, Qualcomm etc. not only acquire stake in 'The Enterprise' of India but also guaranteed of political favors apart from access to data from millions of Indians through a single…

> nexus with current ruling party - BJP It's not like things were too different before. Mukesh Ambani supposedly referred to the INC as Apni Dukaan . Both the Congress and BJP are more than happy to appease Motabhai. Source: https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/mukesh-said-haan...

Atleast there was no situation where BSNL was not granted 5G rights, while Jio is granted with this. IT feels like Reliance is govt funded while BSNL is private.

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by rataata_jr »

ktrl wrote: post #48

Is it in the geopolitical interest of the West and India to use the same Internet platforms? Take a look at what reddit and YouTube users have to say about India. That kind of uncensored hatred and racism will push India right into the arms of Russia and China. It would be better for US-India relations if Indian Internet users also have local alternatives to choose from. Local alternatives where they don't have to he…

Definitely not China.

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by known »

castevictim wrote: post #212
harsh3195 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For decades? I think that's a gloomy thought. But these companies do have lobbies in all political parties. So whose in power won't make much of a difference.

>So whose in power won't make much of a difference. It does, depending upon whether a party has a moral ceiling. Whether there's something which they wouldn't do. Unfortunately, there is no such limit for a party which does not believe in democracy. Why has India dropped in democracy ratings drastically?[0] What's worrying is, now that BJP has taught other parties how India's democracy can be broken, even if by some…

"Who's right doesn't matter, who has the power does" --Thucydides (471 BC - 400 BC)

Re: India, Jio, and the Four Internets

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Post by known »

castevictim wrote: post #215
known wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What else can we expect when 50% Ministers in Modi Cabinet are Brahmin and 80% Judges in Courts are Brahmin; And Brahmin are just 3% in India; https://archive.is/ojjbF

Add to that, judicial system which is statistically proven to be Brahminical[0]. But in jail two-third of prisoners are Dalits, tribals and from Other Backward Classes (OBCs), 19% are Muslims[1]. [0] https://www.huffingtonpost.in/suraj-yengde/theres-a-caste-bi... [1] https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/majo...

And this is why in 1932 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_Award Ambedkar demanded a Separate Country (not Reservations) where Brahmin/Bania/Kshatriya can live on a Visa;
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