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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by aljg »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #179
aljg wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe they are opening themselves up to any legal liability. See [1] and links for a disturbing list of recent examples of police receiving qualified immunity. One example from the article: > On May 18, the court turned away three of these appeals, including a jaw-dropping case in which police were granted qualified immunity after literally stealing $225,000. (There is no clearly established right not to be…

There's not enough liability, perhaps, but there's certainly some. Here[0] is a list of police department settlements and another[1] of individual police officers being tried and/or convicted for recent high-profile killings. Note that media coverage is inherently sensational and therefore not reflective of reality--just because the media gives much more attention to killings than to the legal repercussions doesn't m…

Good point, I retract my blanket statement of "no legal liability." I should have said that they are not criminally liable.

Your link [1] shows how rarely police officers are found criminally liable for murder even in the most egregious of circumstances (only the most egregious ones are prosecuted at all and even most of those result in acquittals).

On the other hand you are right that link [0] shows that it is much more common that the police are found to have civil liability. Not personally, of course, the payments will come out of liability insurance (and, therefore, taxpayer coffers).

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by hanifc »

monocasa wrote: post #177
kfrzcode wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit because thread depth: Y'all were right, the footage I saw earlier was clipped after the girl had ran. That's enough of trying to see all sides for me today. This week is hell. ----------------------- It was not a live broadcast of the "whole encounter" it was a live broadcast that started in medias res after the reporters were clearly surrounded by multiple officers of the law. Not to mention that for the hour p…

They were released 30 minutes later, with the governor apologizing saying there was no reason for them to be arrested. You're absolutely on the wrong side of this. On the wrong side of illegal arrests of the press. Of fucking CNN literally live broadcasting. > That statement is what fng hurts me to read - it's a mentality that whatever is presented is it, facts, reality, no questioning needed. I watched it live.

> You're absolutely on the wrong side of this.

Are we counting being skeptical of a claim as taking the opposite side? Seems like the user is trying to understand the situation rather than advocate for a side.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by cryptica »

CNN staged it obviously. There was a riot, the police came in as they should have.

CNN team intentionally disregarded orders to vacate the area to cause a stir. Then they were arrested as they knew they would be. CNN team basically setup and staged their own arrests on camera with the intent of deceiving the American people into thinking they were hapless victims.

This is exactly why people vote for Trump. This behavior encapsulates exactly the kind of phony rhetoric which has split the US into two. On one had you have people who totally buy all that rhetoric (tears and all) and on the other hand you have those who see right through it and only feel disgust.

These media companies soiled their own reputation by being politically biased to get extra eyeballs. They yielded to corporate and political pressure and created the current political climate so I have no sympathy for them.

All US media companies deserve to go out of business IMO. They set the stage for their own demise.

As much as I hate to say it, they've just handed the crown directly to Facebook. Even Facebook knows not to pick sides.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by non-entity »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #136
sowbug wrote: post #61

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In my state, one must comply with any order from a police officer who is in uniform and acting in the performance of his or her duties. This is a law with criminal consequences.

>In my state, one must comply with any order from a police officer Surely you are mistaken. As but one example, if a cop shows up at your house and says you need to let him in to search, you can tell him to stuff it.

You're in your rights too for sure, but given the semi-recent history of not giving a fuck 4th amendment along with how quickly the general public is to justify anything done by police officers I'd be scared as hell to do so.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by banads »

acobster wrote: post #192
newacct583 wrote: post #4

Not an argument for this site I guess. But this is what happens when you have political leaders picking sides in violence. Trump literally tweeted "when the looting starts the shooting starts" (not before this event, of course -- it's an example). You think rhetoric like that doesn't have the effect of empowering police to abuse their power against people they don't like?

"Not an argument for this site I guess," hence the downvotes, heh. I agree though. And I'd take it a step further and say that the institution of policing in the US has historically always been on the side of systemic violence. Police forces literally started as night patrols to catch runaway slaves, which as about as racist as it gets. If there was a point in history where they somehow severed ties with their racist…

>If there was a point in history where they somehow severed ties with their racist origins and underwent fundamental, institutional change, I've yet to learn about it.

The opposite, actually. The civil rights movement of the 60s was infiltrated, surveilled, and disrupted by secret police, and largely ended with it's greatest leaders being assassinated and mass riots.

Then Nixon launched the War on Drugs in the 70s and mass incarceration began.

In the 80s we saw Democrats and Republicans further ramping up the war on drugs, with the passage of laws such as the Anti Drug Abuse Act of 1986, while at the same time it was soon revealed that the CIA was helping their Nicaraguan Contra friends raise money by importing billions of dollars of cocaine into inner cities as a part of the Iran Contra conspiracy, initializing the crack epidemic. The investigations into these wrong doings was quickly shut down, the investigative journalist leading the charge was suicided, and the government officials responsible were pardoned.

Fast forward 30 years, and the mass incarceration levels have been holding steady and communities are even weaker by some metrics than they were before the civil rights movement, though perhaps we've made some marginal improvements in states where cannabis has been legalized, but we've still got a lot more to do: namely, ending the tyrannical and racist war on drugs at the Federal level.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by newacct583 »

101404 wrote: post #182
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won't let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you! [sic] Taken from https://news.sky.com/story/george-floyd-death-twitter-flags-...

So, were did he say "to shoot looters"? That's just one possible interpretation, if you really want to understand him that way.

It's true that the president's writing here is characteristically vague. But right here in this one tweet he:

1. Introduces the military

2. Says he will assume control

3. Introduces the idea of shooting looters

Given that context, it's extremely difficult to concoct an interpretation where he's not saying he'll direct the military to shoot looters.

I mean, be serious here. Is your defense really that "The president's grammar was poor, so you can't prove he meant what he seemed to say". How many times are you going to try that trick? Wasn't it played out after he vaguely suggested injecting bleach?

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Post by mc32 »

monocasa wrote: post #205
bargl wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police can break the law too. An officer's actions may or may not be legal and that's determined after the fact in a court of law. This doesn't happen all the time, but when police do break the law, or don't follow it correctly their actions come under scrutiny, data collected can be discarded from court, and even suffer personal blowback. What you're asking is how did it happen? That's because it's illegal for a cit…

> As someone else said, this will probably cost the police and city in a settlement. It probably won't cost the police anything, it'll come out of the taxpayer.

Not dissimilar to someone accused of harassment at work. It’s most typical the company pays and not the offender. People go after the money.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by Miner49er »

banads wrote: post #199
Miner49er wrote: post #139

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Police don't defend normal people or communities, that's not their job. Their job is to enforce the law, no matter how unjust the law is. > We should support good police officers and not assume all are bad and racist. There is no such thing as a non-racist or good police officer. The police system as a whole is racist. Anybody who chooses to participate in and support that system everyday of their lives is racist.

>The police system as a whole is racist. Anybody who chooses to participate in and support that system everyday of their lives is racist. What about all the Democrats and Republicans who are ultimately responsible for the laws governing the police system and who have for years tacitly or explicitly supported the war on drugs?

Yeah also racist.
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