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Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by tnorthcutt »

deergomoo wrote: post #76
m1h4 wrote: post #31

Still having a (at least one of the multiple different) kernel panic during sleep: panic(cpu 0 caller 0xffffff801e29169c): Sleep transition timed out after 180 seconds while calling power state change callbacks. Suspected bundle: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily. Thread 0x2754. Ever since moving to a brand new 16" MBP there isn't a day that passes wihout me being welcomed by the crash report dialog…

I managed to eliminate (or at least majorly reduce) kernel panics by disabling Power Nap. I've since re-enabled it to see if this is any more stable. Kind of a joke really, this isn't a brand new model, nor is it using any cutting edge components. I thought we'd worked out sleep mode a long time ago.

Thanks for mentioning this. I get a kernel panic most every night while sleeping. I've just disabled Power Nap and will see if that improves things.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by parasubvert »

matwood wrote: post #133
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you guys put up with this? Do you like pain? Edit: I'm not trying to troll, I genuinely want to know why people put up with this. I bounce between Linux and Windows and have no loyalty to either of them. I've settled on Windows with WSL2 on my desktop but I'm tempted again to install the new Fedora on my Thinkpad. Is it the lock in? With my hardware I can run anything I want except for macOS. Once you buy Appl…

I haven't had any problems with Catalina. I'm sure other people do, but is the common experience mine or the people who complain?

The common experience is yours - and mine. I’ve had minor problems with Catalina, mostly around slowness and my 2014 iMac 5k randomly sleeping from overheating (which might not be Catalina, might just be dust).

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by drampelt »

teknologist wrote: post #139
tomxor wrote: post #101

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> Binary patching hasn't been a thing for years unfortunately. True, and it's fair to say binary diffs aren't worth the complexities they introduce anymore, yet the concept of only pulling updates for individual packages has been a thing for over two decades in the *nix world. It seems like a poor choice for Apple to not bother making updates more discerning while also removing binary diffs... certainly a shitty move…

JetBrains still do updates with binary patching for many (all?) of their products, and the experience is really nice.

Yeah, it's awesome having regular < 100mb updates for their IDEs and Android Studio compared to 7+ GB Xcode downloads :(

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by ttfkam »

matwood wrote: post #133
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you guys put up with this? Do you like pain? Edit: I'm not trying to troll, I genuinely want to know why people put up with this. I bounce between Linux and Windows and have no loyalty to either of them. I've settled on Windows with WSL2 on my desktop but I'm tempted again to install the new Fedora on my Thinkpad. Is it the lock in? With my hardware I can run anything I want except for macOS. Once you buy Appl…

I haven't had any problems with Catalina. I'm sure other people do, but is the common experience mine or the people who complain?

I'm sure many people haven't noticed any problems when using WD's SMR drives in a RAID either. Does that mean there are no issues with SMR in RAID or that it is insufficiently common?

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by zamalek »

rayiner wrote: post #122
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you guys put up with this? Do you like pain? Edit: I'm not trying to troll, I genuinely want to know why people put up with this. I bounce between Linux and Windows and have no loyalty to either of them. I've settled on Windows with WSL2 on my desktop but I'm tempted again to install the new Fedora on my Thinkpad. Is it the lock in? With my hardware I can run anything I want except for macOS. Once you buy Appl…

I've got a brand-new 2019 16" and am dealing with the widespread crashes on wake from sleep. Honestly, it's a harder decision to send it back than you might think, for several reasons: 1) The hardware quality of other OEMs is bad too. Lenovo has really gone downhill. I sold my maxed-out X1 Carbon 7th Gen, which in less than a year: a) came with an LTE card that never worked for more than an hour at a time; b) had the…

A guy at work installed Windows on his MacBook. He claimed it was the best Windows machine around. I'm not sure if his tune changed after Retina, because I really do have to hand it to Apple there: their high-DPI scaling is flawless.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by ksec »

Sigh. Now every time I use Speech to Text there is a sound before the dictation. Before Catalina you could disable it in setting but now the setting is complete gone.

And Apple wanted Voice Over to replace this dictation. The problem is most Apps doesn't even support this type of input. Example I cant use Voice Over for dictation on WhatsApp, but I could do it with old double Fn Key Dictation.

Not to mention the voice over recognition by default uses Enhance Dictation which is offline, and its results is actually worst and slower than online dictation.

Basically the worst of both worlds. It is super annoying.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by crazygringo »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #132

Anybody knows what has happened that multiple manufacturers (at least Dell, HP, Lenovo, ASUS, and now Apple) have released _all within this year_ updates to "enhance battery health management"? Even on devices which were otherwise out of support already. I ponder what has happened. I didn't hear any recent stories of battery explosions, huge battery recalls, or new regulations, yet all manufacturers are reacting to s…

Just regular market competition.

One manufacturer announces a feature, other manufacturers think "oh crap, we don't want anyone buying a competitor rather than us because of that" so they implement it too ASAP.

I've been in a lot of product decision meetings. In my experience, there's no quicker or more effective way to justify building a feature than "our competitor has it".

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by FideoSpecial »

hugey010 wrote: post #206
therockhead wrote: post #145

I have Catalina on a iMac Pro, a 16inch and 15 MacBook pro and for what it worth have hit zero issues.

Yep late 2013 MacBook Pro: Catalina brought some security annoyances but mostly pain-free. IMO this computer is the epitome of function and form; I'm worried nothing will truly replace it when that time comes.

I feel the same about my mid 2014 mbp. I'm thinking I'll pull the trigger on a new one when the rumored 14.1 inch version arrives.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by ttfkam »

matwood wrote: post #133
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you guys put up with this? Do you like pain? Edit: I'm not trying to troll, I genuinely want to know why people put up with this. I bounce between Linux and Windows and have no loyalty to either of them. I've settled on Windows with WSL2 on my desktop but I'm tempted again to install the new Fedora on my Thinkpad. Is it the lock in? With my hardware I can run anything I want except for macOS. Once you buy Appl…

I haven't had any problems with Catalina. I'm sure other people do, but is the common experience mine or the people who complain?

Mojave wasn't perfect (I got a gray screen every few months or so), but Catalina has been measurably less stable on the same hardware, same monitors, same peripherals, etc. to the point where (as stated by others) I can't even safely sleep/hibernate with external monitors connected anymore.

Even if it were a hardware problem that Catalina somehow tickled more often, if it only affected 5% of users it's still a problem. Being one of the lucky 95% doesn't diminish the experience of the 5%, especially if with Mojave the affected user base could have been 1%. We're not talking about $200 Chromebooks. These are $3K+ professional tools.

Bottom line: Catalina is less stable than Mojave.

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