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The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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The problem is not the absence of volunteers, the problem is that as the first wave of the epidemic recedes, most volunteers won’t catch the disease by themselves and thus will add no information as to whether the vaccine works. And challenge trials (deliberately infecting people) are apparently a big ethical no-no.

While that's true, it is still possible to get data by giving the vaccine to as many people as possible and seeing if the virus recedes faster than previous models predicted. If the slope of the trend suddenly buckles when people start taking the shots, there's a good chance it did something. Although I'm also strongly against deliberately infecting people, if there is a high chance there is no danger to take the vac…

There’s a few premises that are hard to get by, for one mass-testing vaccines defeats the purpose of the safety axis of trials. If we knew it was non-dangerous, then there wouldn’t be the need for small scale trials. Instead large scale trials could be done just to try efficacy, rather than both safety and efficacy.

Yes there’s a non-zero chance of death, but assuming you’re a part of the average population (assuming US or UK for example sake), then you’re more likely to die getting in a vehicle.

Personally I’m for vaccines, but I do not want to be the first 10k they try it on. I’m in good health, so I’ll wait months or longer if one where released in their hopeful expedited timeline. By nature of the pandemic, this is rushed, and the risk to reward ratio favors waiting a bit (for myself), given the low mortality rate for people with no preexisting conditions.

Further, I’m near a hot spot, so it’s highly likely I have the antibodies, given others in my household are less careful, and thus my exposure profile essentially equals the lowest common denominator.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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> Also, 1st country with viable vaccine/treatment/etc will have a huge geopolitical bargaining chip & it will likely be used as such no matter the country of origin. Definitely, but thankfully, it is a positive sum game. First thing, you won't keep your bargaining chip for long. If a country manages to find a vaccine, others will follow soon enough. Besides independent research and reverse engineering efforts, it is…

it would be funny if Cuba finds a successful treatment protocol first.

If Russia gave it to them via China which made it from research stolen from the USA, I wouldn't call it "funny." I would call it "saving half a face, just in case."

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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The virus did not come from Wuhan. The first known cluster of cases was in Wuhan. This is where China first identified and then quickly notified the international community that there was a new communicable disease. Many of the original identified victims had no relation whatsoever with Wuhan, and virologists have traced the virus to several individuals throughout Hubei province as early as November. Virologists trac…

It’d known wet markets and the wildlife trafficked in such are a corona virus reservoir. We can no yet say it didn’t come from there.

"It’d known wet markets and the wildlife trafficked"

This is not on topic. The discussion thread is talking about bioengineered viruses.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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They exist to encourage sharing of information in the context of a private marketplace. Most useful technology is created by state-funded research over decades. The private sector just monopolizes the results. If anything, competition would be better if there were no patents. If employers could simply poach key employees by offering good salaries, they would get that information quite easily.

> Most useful technology is created by state-funded research over decades. The private sector just monopolizes the results. This is another gross oversimplification at best, and I have yet to hear anyone who has spent significant amounts of time in either public or private sector R&D make such a claim. Real life, and product development in particular, is not so easily reduced to catchy political slogans.

Off top of head, the recent Ebola vaccine was created almost exclusively from gov. research. Merck bought a company who was supposed to commercialize it but they did a really poor job . There are people who would not be dead if the vaccine had been available, sooner

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While the admin is currently pushing a very negative image against China, I do not believe the FBI would do that so lightly.

Why would the FBI be hesitant about faking/sensationalizing this? It's nearly impossible to prove, China's unlikely to make an issue out of it, and even if the lie got exposed what punishment would they face?

>Why would the FBI be hesitant about faking/sensationalizing this?

BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CHINESE. The fact that you don't get it tells stories.

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"this administration"? As if it's a new problem?

Yes, it's a new problem. Firing inspector generals en masse [1], personally attacking specific FBI agents and their families [2], intervening in the criminal proceedings of friends and political allies [3], etc. is a pattern of behavior that undermines the rule of law in this country. It's a comprehensive strategy to weed out anyone who disagrees with you, hurts your feelings, dares second guess you, or, god forbid,…

>>>firing inspector generals en masse

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_co...

>>>intervening in the criminal proceedings of your friends and political allies

http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/obama-fires-inspect...

https://cei.org/blog/obama-fires-inspector-general-who-uncov...

>>>a comprehensive strategy to weed out anyone who disagrees with you

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/obamas-whistleb... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/7/president-ob...

>>>pattern of comprehensive corruption is unique to this administration

If you think that this administration is UNIQUELY corrupt....you might be in an echo chamber. Here's a more humorous take on the Obama administration's screwups: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7F2mvZE1E

That, or have a short memory, since Trump and Obama both pale in comparison to VP Dick Cheney and the Iraq War (KBR? Halliburton? have people forgotten about them already?).

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Does anyone really wonder if we (the US) and China are going to be at war in the next 10 years?

I come from an ex-communist country. So this is probably (hopefully) the only moment my talent of spotting this kind of shit is useful. The thing is that whatever bad behavior the USA committed in the past, and then anxiously analyzed and mulled over for decades... the Chinese are doing day by day, routinely, without ANY remorse or second thought. With the Russians it was different. Sorry to say this, but compared to the Chinese, they had soul. I do not foresee anything like the collapse of the Soviet Union in China. They are too "rational" for it. Not to mention their numbers. Our only hope is Jesus Christ. US and China at war? I don't know. China at war? By their logic of expansion, I'm afraid it is guaranteed.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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post #96

Given today's anti-free-thinker HN climate I'm probably going to get downvoted to oblivion for saying this, but I feel I need to say it. I don't think COVID-19 research should be secretive, I think it should be a global effort, and I'm perfectly happy with the idea of any nation having open access to all COVID-19 research, vaccines, results, and (anonymized) data. There should NOT be a concept of intellectual propert…

Someone should profit for figuring out how to stop COVID because otherwise there is little incentive beyond the government, and they don’t typically work nights and weekends. If China succeeds in stealing the solution, that will harm mankind because it will reduce future incentive to stop these things quickly.

>there is little incentive beyond the government, and they don’t typically work nights and weekends

The government certainly doesn’t pull long hours.

Beyond the military. They do pull some late nights and cold field deployments in the DoD.

And beyond local police and fire. And state troopers. Law enforcement does go late and I’m pretty sure fire departments deploy all night. But of course those are not federal.

There is, obviously, the FBI. Those agents are mostly not up at night though. Now, CBP and TSA staff air and sea ports pretty late but that’s different.

The diplomatic corps also works pretty late hours if I remember my leaked cables correctly. But again, an exception. And they get to go to fancy parties.

Obviously people in Congressional staff offices, political advisers in the executive branch, and so forth. But those folk are essentially politicians.

FEMA. Pretty sure some of them stay up.

Other than our armed forces and supporting staff (good morning NSA NSOC), police and fire departments, federal law enforcement, State Department diplomatic staff, staff for elected officials, and FEMA, no one I can think of right now in government stays up late.

Intelligence community, forgot them, other than NSA and FBI. At least some of the 14 other members probably work late, I think? NGA, at least.

But no you’re right, why would we want government scientists like those at NASA, CDC and the EPA working as leading exemplars of COVID research. Surely they are lazy. And they show good work does not happen without a profit motive.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Just for additional context several super computing sites in Europe were attacked a few weeks ago and are still down, among them PizDaint at CSCS, which ranks 6th in the world, several super computing sites in Germany (FZ Juelich) and so on. I think no-one wishes this to turn into a kinetic war, but for all we know besides the economic warfare that has been going on for quite some time, this feels like we are in an a…

How do we jump from some super computers being attacked by unknown actors to a conflict with China. When did every cyber attack become automatically a chinese cyber attack?
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