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> China has completely blocked US services from Google to Uber Western social media platform are welcome to participate in China if they follow local laws - in this case onerous censorship requirements, which every domestic company comply to. That's what project Dragonfly was for, but internal Google politics killed it. Bing still operates fine in China while Google and Facebook still makes billions off Chinese adsal…
Didn't China require any foreign company to be controlled by Chinese to get access to the Chinese market? I heard that they relaxed those restrictions a bit to appease the WTO but in practice are often still denying basic permits for foreign companies until they can show to have a ≥51% Chinese share.
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know it's in Taiwan, and if this escalates, the supply chain will get cut. When it comes to 'invasion', there's no chance of defending Taiwan unfortunately. No one has the stomach for that. It's easily one step away from a nuclear war. You think coronavirus is bad...
I read up a bit into this a few year ago and China invading Taiwan is actually far harder than you'd think. There are only a few easily fortified areas that can handle an amphibious assault, and either way PLA has limited amphibious assault capability and limited modern warfighting experience (PLA is actually suprisingly corrupt and ineffective). Of course, during a war military planners expect massive cyber attacks…
Re: TSMC halts new Huawei orders after US tightens restrictions
#213This is a disaster and can get ugly very quickly. Whatever the concerns of the USA against Huawei are, trying to destroy the company by pressuring international companies in severing all ties is an extremely hostile movement. Next step, as China has already hinted towards, is actions in China against Apple. And we don't know how further the escalation will go. So far, any ambition of China towards Taiwan has been lim…
China was already planning on working more and more on their own fabs.
China spent over $6 billion in 2017 and over $10 billion in 2018 on fab equipment. I am not sure if they are on pace but they wanted to produce 40% of their chips by the end of this year and 70% by the end of 2025. These plans were created years ago before all of this started happening.
The worst case scenario is this just expedites any issues between Taiwan and China as TSMC becomes less important to them. With TSMC getting more cozy with the US it may actually benefit Taiwan. The US will be more likely to consider them to be a vital country worth going to war to protect because of TSMC.
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I'm not supporter of free trade, I'm supporter of fair trade. What you've described is simply - unfair. Another extremely unfair thing is different employment & environmental standards. If an EU company opens a Chinese factory just because they can make people work more hours and can pollute the environment more, I don't really see that as a "globalization benefit", but rather as "unlawful competition" which results…
Are you sure your idea of fairness is right? Consider Mongolia, perhaps they want to match EU employment standards but can't afford do. What are they suppose to do? Suppose a democracy decided on different employment standards, should EU ban imports from US due to EU having higher standards of employee and environmental protection? How big does the difference have to be? Does your free trade "fairness" account for th…
there are ways to mitigate the growing pains of economic development but to prevent it completely is not a solution. nearly all industrial nations have, at some point in their history, gone through the whole process - discovering necessary safety standards, methods to encourage cooperation and where it fails, enforcement and legal repercussions remedies and punishment, etc... that really ought to be hyper-local and community-specific in their implementation. first world governments are fully complicit in preventing emerging nations from developing this themselves.
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Thats how all countries approach this especially the US. If you, for example, buy a tank for the US and plan to attack a US ally with it well good luck getting access to the bullets or software updates.
Iran seemingly continues to operate their fleet of F-14s which US had supplied when the Shah was in control, decades after the relationship soured with the US. It seems even that an Iranian pilot is the top ace with the most kills of all F-14 pilots. But speaking of Huawei they are'nt in the business of military supplies, they sell commodity telecom gear. Imposing such extreme restrictions, seemingly encroaching upon…
Also if their weaponization of android and the google OS shows anything if it can be weaponized it will
Re: TSMC halts new Huawei orders after US tightens restrictions
#216What? You just tried to bankrupt company by cutting off all of their suppliers and partners of business. Of course they will try to survive by trying to self-reliant. The company employs 100,000 people, is super important to the local economy and employment in the shenzhen area, and has over 50% of the shares in China's entire core internet infrastructure. If Huawei does not get the supply it needs, it cannot serve the entire China's core internet, do you know how much danger that causes to China's communication infrastructure security? How much economic damage to the country it's going to be? This actually directly harms China's national security. Whereas the US claims Huawei harms its national security, when Huawei is not even in the US. When Huawei gets killed off, how do you tell the workers of Huawei and their families, that their livelihood is gone because by its killed of by you, which is a foreign government to them. Are you sure you can deal with the anti-American sentiment afterwards. There is a saying in Chinese "cut of the way someone earns money is equal to killing their parents" (断人财路如杀人父母)You also know that the average Chinese person is super proud of Huawei as a brand right?
This rule change effectively forces all companies in the world that is in the semiconductor industry to abide by US governments wishes. TSMC 7nm processes has less then 10% of US IP and technology. It was developed by Taiwan people with TSMC own investment. But they invariably could use a technology that is in the ERA. Hell, Intel processors is one, and god forbid if the production line has a computer that contains Intel chips. You could argue that this Intel chip assisted in producing Huawei's chip no? Where do you draw the line? The US government can just decide how to enforce this based on their feelings of the day? Are you sure this the standard for international justice?
For alleged IP infringement against Huawei, get the evidence and sue the company at court. I am all for it, as long as there is trial. So far there are two cases IP infringement cases that I know of, 1 in 2003 with Cisco that settled out of court. 2 with T-mobile in 2013 with regarding a phone testing arm. But Huawei's main business is base bands, routers, and consumer electronics. By the way, Ercission has cross licence agreement with Huawei to access Huawei's 5G patents. Huawei has many invention patents in 5G, that is recognized globally. I don't get where the theft of IP comes from that warrant the company to be killed off.
For security issues. Let the market decide, let the customer decide. Customer should be able to make a comprehensive product selection process based on their needs. And if the market says no to Huawei, then Huawei is dead. But let the market decide. US companies can also compete with Huawei, and say they are more secure. Huawei sucks. That is all fine. And I am also fine with the US government producing security assessments on Huawei, and telling every country on earth to not use Huawei equipment. That is US government's right. But at least the customer can decide for themselves if Huawei is worth anything. If Huawei is dead because of that, then sure. Its all fair and square. The US can also form alliances with other countries and make sure the country ban Huawei equipment in their countries too. That is the US right too. There are so many ways to compete with Huawei.
US gov's action is as if, China ordered that every country in the world shall not do business with Microsoft, and forces Microsoft to go bankrupt right now. Imagine if the Microsoft cloud and office365 stops running because of that. US would probably sent warplanes to China by then.
Huawei's 4G technology worked really well for China's environment and was affordable for mass development. It is key enabler in allowing the country to deploy 4G to almost everywhere in China, even the remote villages. This enabled everyone with smartphone to use the internet. And as result, services like mobile payment, shopping, gaming all flourished in China. It in turns create a massive cellphone market in China. Apple, Qualcomn, Xllinx, and host of consumer product providers, or Huawei's US suppliers all benefited from this. Competitions in the phone space also pushed the innovation and pricing for smart phones. Huawei was one of the first to push smartphone camera quality and added multi-focal lengths to phones. It pushed Apple and Samsung to innovate on cameras too, look at where smartphone photography has become. I believe US and Chinese technology companies can work together in their respective markets, to make technology more useful, enrich the economy, and make people's lives better. Its not a zero sum game. But the US government is viewing it as such. If US wants to win, China must lose.
With the US government essentially taking the world's companies into hostage in killing off Huawei, I am not sure if US Gov is being a responsible world citizen.
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#217To preface, firstly - I am a supporter of free global trade and greater collaboration between countries to maximize the benefit of each other. The problem starts when there is a massive asymmetry in the trade. China has completely blocked US services from Google to Uber, and gladly accepts manufacturing investment - Tesla Shanghai factory, Intel's Chengdu factory, etc. because the CCP knows that they will gain tremen…
I'm not supporter of free trade, I'm supporter of fair trade. What you've described is simply - unfair. Another extremely unfair thing is different employment & environmental standards. If an EU company opens a Chinese factory just because they can make people work more hours and can pollute the environment more, I don't really see that as a "globalization benefit", but rather as "unlawful competition" which results…
If a country pays its workers pennies and craps all over the environment, it sucks for the people that live there, but really it's fine, they're a sovereign nation, nobody's gonna send in the troops over it.
Let's simply charge them enough to take all the money they save / make from these practices out of their pockets. If they don't pay up, the goods can't cross the border.
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
Iran seemingly continues to operate their fleet of F-14s which US had supplied when the Shah was in control, decades after the relationship soured with the US. It seems even that an Iranian pilot is the top ace with the most kills of all F-14 pilots. But speaking of Huawei they are'nt in the business of military supplies, they sell commodity telecom gear. Imposing such extreme restrictions, seemingly encroaching upon…
I don't think that protection against interference is extended to non-democracy. It's pretty explicitly so. Also if their weaponization of android and the google OS shows anything if it can be weaponized it will
So politically motivated measures are likely to be drawn into courts.
Also US has/had no issues doing business with many prominent non democratic countries like Saudi Arabia, South Korea (i.e before it transitioned to democracy), etc.
Re: TSMC halts new Huawei orders after US tightens restrictions
#219To preface, firstly - I am a supporter of free global trade and greater collaboration between countries to maximize the benefit of each other. The problem starts when there is a massive asymmetry in the trade. China has completely blocked US services from Google to Uber, and gladly accepts manufacturing investment - Tesla Shanghai factory, Intel's Chengdu factory, etc. because the CCP knows that they will gain tremen…
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#220Technically it should not be an issue since Taiwan does not exist on paper and therefore China's CCP should have no problem asserting full control over TSMC operations. At least if we believe the CCP's version of the world.
Taiwan is a region and a very important one, no one was denying that, even the Chinese government. The dispute was on what a country means and it has complicated historical reasons on both sides. Same thing goes for why Guam and California are not the same political entities among the US, or why Spain doesn't recognize Catalonia. Don't be ignorant and try to judge on things you don't fully understand.