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Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by wtallis »

ALittleLight wrote: post #210
ArchReaper wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example the CEO edited user’s messages in the r/the_donald to try and create discord between users. This is inaccurate - it was very clearly not intended to 'create discord between users' and claiming that it was is at best politically biased and at worse a lie.

I just googled it and it seems like he changed messages that were insulting him to insult moderators of the subreddit. The parent's comment doesn't seem wrong to me, if that's true. He altered communications of reddit users to make it look like they were insulting reddit moderators, in such a way as to falsely attribute those insults to the original authors.

You're still spinning it unfairly, by leaving out relevant information. It was a pranking attempt that fell flat, and was neither intended to nor successful in having the effect of surreptitiously turning T_D users against each other. The admin in question quickly admitted to the deed and explained his motives. Attributing other, conflicting motives without further justification is misleading at best.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by defertoreptar »

wtallis wrote: post #203
defertoreptar wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your assumption here is that the enforcement of the new rule will be executed perfectly and without bias, and further that people will believe it will be enforced that way. This totally misses my central point.

> Your assumption here is that the enforcement of the new rule will be executed perfectly and without bias, Not at all. Even if Reddit was completely biased and never enforced the rules against liberal-oriented cesspools, that wouldn't make T_D's current norms and behaviors any more acceptable. The only problem is if you believe that Reddit will go far beyond their stated content rules and start punishing civilized d…

Then they should remove those rule-breaking posts and ban the posters, but that's already the case.

My point is that I think political minority users will believe that they may be punished for upvoting content that doesn't explicitly break the rules. It doesn't even need to be true. As long as users believe it, that will be enough to impact their behavior. In fact, it's already enough just to know that big brother is watching what you upvote. This passively results in upvoted political content being more in line with Reddit's political bias.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

commandlinefan wrote: post #181
ArchReaper wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any examples of 'intent to incite violence' from those subreddits? The difference is that moderators of those subreddits try to remove that type of content.

Do you have any examples of 'intent to incite violence' from t_d?

The mods of t_d stickied a recruiting post for the deadly Unite the Right rally in which it was readily acknowledged that their users would be joining ranks with actual Nazis.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by sixstringtheory »

dx87 wrote: post #147
bovermyer wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am continually amazed at how many people believe that "free speech" applies to anything other than the government. No government agency is allowed to impede free speech (with a handful of exceptions). This rule does not apply to any other organization.

I'm continually amazed at how many people believe that "free speech" didn't exist before the 1st amendment was added to the constitution of the USA.

What’s your point? That because in theory you might have been able to say something without losing your head before the US constitution existed, that suddenly we should apply constraints meant only for the government to private entities or citizens? Seems like a non sequitur to me.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by asdfsdafsdf »

wtallis wrote: post #211
ALittleLight wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just googled it and it seems like he changed messages that were insulting him to insult moderators of the subreddit. The parent's comment doesn't seem wrong to me, if that's true. He altered communications of reddit users to make it look like they were insulting reddit moderators, in such a way as to falsely attribute those insults to the original authors.

You're still spinning it unfairly, by leaving out relevant information. It was a pranking attempt that fell flat, and was neither intended to nor successful in having the effect of surreptitiously turning T_D users against each other. The admin in question quickly admitted to the deed and explained his motives. Attributing other, conflicting motives without further justification is misleading at best.

No you're spinning it by saying "It was a pranking attempt that fell flat". Either way do you really think it's okay for a CEO to "prank" users by silently editing their posts then only admitting to it after being caught. Seems like the "prank" excuse is a spin.

If it was a prank he would have done it and admitted it without getting caught in-between.

Also, it has to be funny to be a prank, otherwise it's bullying, where was the punchline?

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by derision »

ArchReaper wrote: post #158
eanzenberg wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about brigading, harassment and intent to incite violence of other subreddits related to Sanders, r/politics, r/news, r/worldnews? Are they under similar quarantines and rules?

Do you have any examples of 'intent to incite violence' from those subreddits? The difference is that moderators of those subreddits try to remove that type of content.

I've seen links to posts in this subs calling for violence against police, Trump supporters, and calling for the assassination of the president.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by blackflame7000 »

Gunax wrote: post #172
mrits wrote: post #91

What is really happening is reddit is just taking over all the most popular subreddits. They want to control the main vibe of the site. Understandable for a corporation but not in line with the original idea of the founders.

You're correct that it isn't surprising. Best action is to bring this to light. Make everyone aware that Reddit is not a free speech zone--its a closely monitored and profit-driven business.

Yes we all know closely moderated speech has been Reddit's hallmark for success.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by blackflame7000 »

charwalker wrote: post #201
mrits wrote: post #91

What is really happening is reddit is just taking over all the most popular subreddits. They want to control the main vibe of the site. Understandable for a corporation but not in line with the original idea of the founders.

This sub is popular among a small group but overall despised by the community. It openly flaunts the site rules and promotes content that draws a black eye from media attention. The current moves are though to be aimed at stifling the sub until it dies off vs a full ban as that would quickly draw headiness even though Youtube got the legal go ahead vs free speech rights just this week.

It's one of the largest subreddits there is but yea "small group"

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by derision »

wtallis wrote: post #211
ALittleLight wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just googled it and it seems like he changed messages that were insulting him to insult moderators of the subreddit. The parent's comment doesn't seem wrong to me, if that's true. He altered communications of reddit users to make it look like they were insulting reddit moderators, in such a way as to falsely attribute those insults to the original authors.

You're still spinning it unfairly, by leaving out relevant information. It was a pranking attempt that fell flat, and was neither intended to nor successful in having the effect of surreptitiously turning T_D users against each other. The admin in question quickly admitted to the deed and explained his motives. Attributing other, conflicting motives without further justification is misleading at best.

It wasn't just any admin, it was the CEO.
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