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If anyone find compromising information about war crimes, everyone should leak the shit out of it. Please excuse the profanity. It isn't just your duty, it is also the right thing to do. So better no make that your defense.
Yes, but there are proper ways to whistle-blow.
Assange Hearing Day 2
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since when is Mexico not a Western country?
Feels like this comment is coming from a place of anger or a presumption that: 1) I'm a US citizen (I'm not). 2) Mexicans are shot at the border when trying to get through normal US customs checks, like in an airport (They're not). 3) that the Mexicans that are actually being shot on the border by the border guard is seen by the international community as acceptable (It isn't). But, for the sake of refuting what you…
> According to Samuel P. Huntington, some countries are torn on whether they are Western or not, with typically the national leadership pushing for Westernization, while historical, cultural and traditional forces remaining largely non-Western. [...] Mexico and Russia are also considered to be torn by Huntington.
(Hi dijit!)
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession" Yes, it is exactly torture. https://apt.ch/en/what-is-torture/
Again, probably depends on which aspects of his treatment you're referring to. The original quote spoke of "twice been stripped naked and searched, eleven times been handcuffed, and five times been locked up in different holding cells" - which is unpleasant treatment, but probably not hugely different from the treatment of many prisoners, fairly regularly, within our dehumanising criminal justice system. And I don't…
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wait till you realize that US government officials can shoot you at the border at whim and they will not be even tried or your family allowed to take this to US courts, no matter the reason for the murder. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/25/politics/supreme-court-cr... > Justice Samuel Alito, writing for the majority, said that "regulating the conduct of agents at the border unquestionably has national security impli…
Truthfully though, it would be an international incident with lots of press coverage if someone from a western country was killed at the US border. The more insidious stuff to my mind is anything that can be made to look fuzzy or complicated. The populace gets divided on tiny/minute details and speculation, even _if_ they discuss things, which is not a given when it's something that can be made to look unclear or con…
But even murdering people for fun on the border seems to happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cHqI1PGRNg
Outrage happens too. But reprecussions?
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
Truthfully though, it would be an international incident with lots of press coverage if someone from a western country was killed at the US border. The more insidious stuff to my mind is anything that can be made to look fuzzy or complicated. The populace gets divided on tiny/minute details and speculation, even _if_ they discuss things, which is not a given when it's something that can be made to look unclear or con…
They certainly made a simple killing look fuzzy and complicated with all the arguments. But even murdering people for fun on the border seems to happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cHqI1PGRNg Outrage happens too. But reprecussions?
From the looks of it, a guy turned up to the border with an illegal substance in a drinking bottle; proceeded to drink it, and the officer gestured and the person took another few sips. Before succumbing to an overdose because it was a highly concentrated narcotic.
I don't think this is a defence or support of anything, I don't have more facts like: what was said, where did the drugs come from, was coercion involved, etc;
It just looks sad, certainly not an indictment of border officials.
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#217This is horrifying. As a European I'm afraid to even visit the USA. I'd expect this from some third world hellhole but not from a country which professes to have the rule of law.
You do realize all this is happening in Europe not the US. Assange is in the UK not USA.
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
It won't make the US press, because all of that is a pretty typical US jail experience, sadly.
the US has successfully become a 3rd world country. power in the hands of a few: check corruption at the highest possible level: check a gradually more authoritarian "leader": check a people who support such a leader: check military might used against political opponents: check enormous amounts of poverty cleverly ignored: check the list goes on. i suppose there is a time for every powerful nation to go into a deep d…
They still have rather large amounts of both weapons and economic leverage.
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes he's being made an example of. He brazenly broke the (unwritten) rules and this is an educational beatdown[1]. It will end badly for Assange, because two of the "three cases where the EBD may be dangerous" (see linked article) apply. Whether Assange is 'in the right' or not, #1 will still apply to him. [1] https://chirontraining.blogspot.com/2013/03/cofv10-education...
That was an interesting read. Let's make it clear to the "educational beatdown" people that we don't agree!
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With no direct proof, as far as I know. But they do refer to the complete publishing of the diplomatic cable, where apparently quite some irakian sources were mentioned in plain text, or with enough information to identify them. So it is possible, that indeed people died of it. (killed by ISIS or alike) And this point is also the weakest in the defence of Assange in my point of view. (generaly speaking. I am not in f…
It was German journalists who revealed the names in the leaks, not Wikileaks/Assange. In fact, Assange made extra efforts to warn the White House that the leaks had been published with cleartext names. So no, nobody died because Assange published leaked data. If anybody got into trouble at all because their names were revealed, its because German journalists published the password to decrypt the files containing the…
"It was German journalists who revealed the names in the leaks, not Wikileaks/Assange."
British, not german:
"In August 2010, Assange gave Guardian journalist David Leigh an encryption key and a URL where he could locate the full Cablegate file."
And he also did only revealed the password.
"Leigh disclaimed responsibility for the release, saying Assange had assured him the password would expire hours after it was disclosed to him"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_cable...
And after that password was revealed, Assange said, now state actors could decrypt it, it is better to just publish it, so everyone can read it.