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Post by burfog »

dwmcqueen wrote: post #191
chrisco255 wrote: post #118

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You understand that the Obama administration oversaw an illicit investigation of a political rival on the basis of the Steele dossier, which was bought and paid for by the DNC. The FBI and CIA knew the Russia narrative was false and pushed it anyways. Look if you need a Progressive source for this info because you can't appreciate alternative points of view, then Jimmy Dore did a very good job of breaking it down: ht…

I forget how much Carter Page was a political rival of Barack Obama somehow. Thanks for the reminder.

Carter Page was not the real target.

FISA warrants cover two hops. If person Y communicates with both X and Z, a FISA warrant on person X will allow spying on person Z. In this case person X is Carter Page, and person Z is Donald Trump. It is certain that a suitable person Y exists. Such a person would be anybody who communicated, no matter how briefly, with both Carter Page and Donald Trump. Numerous journalists would qualify as person Y.

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Post by burfog »

jorblumesea wrote: post #99
chrisco255 wrote: post #91

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Partisanship cuts both ways and if you're too ignorant to see your own bias and through the narrative spin on your own side of the aisle, then you're like a fish that doesn't know its wet.

If you honestly believe that Trump is in any way on the same "corruption level" as any previous sitting President you're delusional. I'm sorry that reality is getting in the way of the narrative, but it's fairly obvious that he's far worse than any side has elected within living memory. Maybe Nixon is a distant second?

You mean "better" I hope, not "worse". Nobody else comes close.

It's hard to say exactly what "living memory" should mean, but let's call it WWII. The worst would then be FDR, followed by LBJ or Obama. All caused great harm.

Nixon is an interesting one. The major screw up was relations with China. Other than that, he wasn't bad.

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Post by panpanna »

nialv7 wrote: post #127
Apocryphon wrote: post #15

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Ironically, Samsung invested in Tizen development for a minute so they would have their own backup in case Android was no longer viable. And it's also amusing that the Dart-skeptics now see there is at least one legal reason to justify Google's continued development of Flutter.

Tizen is still a thing though, just not in the smart phone space. Tons of smart TVs are shipped with Tizen. Last smart watch that uses Tizen is shipped in 2018.

> Last smart watch that uses Tizen is shipped in 2018.

2020

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Post by cromwellian »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #141
bediger4000 wrote: post #36

Does the Trump administration understand what this kind of law will do to all of tech?

Oracle winning will not destroy the tech industry, bring innovation to it's knees, or any other crazy apocalyptic concept people have. It'll mean Google will pay a huge penalty for very willfully stealing Java when they knew they were supposed to license it, and other companies will be a little more explicit about getting licenses squared away. Reliance on open source APIs and platforms will probably go up, and licen…

Riiiight. Because no lawyers have ever smelled a new ambulance to chase kicking off dozens of harassment suits when new precedents are handed down. Oracle has already threatened OSS databases, Samba was once threatened by Microsoft aggressively, and whose to say WINE and other OSS API reimplementations won't be under legal threat the way Unix reimplementations were.

Any precedent that establishes clean-room API reimplementations are subject to copyright infringement is bad for everyone.

You're willing to risk throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

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Post by scarface74 »

pstuart wrote: post #207
scarface74 wrote: post #135

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There are no uncharted waters. “The other side” makes equally bad decisions when it comes to tech because they believe that the government is the answer to too many of the worlds problems. Even if their intentions are good, they don’t have enough of a grasp on technology to understand the ramifications. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Some of the more forward looking liberals warned against executive…

This is a false equivalency. The overreach of the federal government is a topic worth exploring but this is different: this is a unification and consolidation of power into the hands of one man. And to avoid getting too political I'll avoid questioning the loyalties and competence of this individual. I don't care if it was Obama or Bernie or Daffy Duck, this is a dangerous situation and it's compounded by the accepta…

It’s not the consolidation of power by one man. Congress could pass a law to stop any of his executive orders anytime they wanted to. The court could stop a few of them.

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Post by scarface74 »

strbean wrote: post #183
scarface74 wrote: post #13

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Does it matter? Every time without fail when I argue on HN that government involvement in tech is usually negative I get downvoted to oblivion. But then when the same government interferes and is on the "wrong" side of popular geek opinion there is an uproar.

I'm guessing the comments you are referring to are more specific than a broad reading of "government involvement in tech"? My first thoughts were "DARPAnet, automobile safety standards, ... etc.". Reading it as "regulation of communications", I find myself leaning more towards agreeing with your sentiments.

Government should be involved when there are major externalities that the market won’t address. Most die hard free market economists would agree with that.

For instance, they must regulate communications because the airways are limited and a free for all would render communications useless.

The government getting involved in basic research is also necessary sometimes.

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Post by zepto »

scarface74 wrote: post #188
zepto wrote: post #180

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This assumes they throw a ‘martial law’ knife switch and instantly the armed forces turn into fascist enforcers willing to slaughter their own families rather than protect them. Clearly not realistic.

why do you take at face value that with enough propaganda that people wouldn’t all of the sudden classify their own neighbors as “them”? Isn’t that just what happened in Rwanda? Isn’t that the definition of a civil war? But if you are convinced that the military would turn on its own people, doesn’t that still make the whole “we need guns to protect ourself from a potential fascist government and we are going to run…

A civil war seems entirely possible.

The idea that the military would stay unified and be on one ‘side’ of a civil war does not.

In any case it is obvious from the Middle East that people with guns can in fact stand up to the US military quite successfully.

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Post by magduf »

keiferski wrote: post #208
magduf wrote: post #169

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I'm into fitness too: I go to the gym, I ride my bike for long distances, etc. My job involves sitting at a desk and writing code; my athleticism has nothing to do with it. It's the same with Tiger Woods.

Obviously Tiger was into athletics because he felt it improved his golf performance - and was probably right in doing so, considering that it was his peak period of accomplishment.

Being into athletics helps my work performance too. Athletic, fit people live longer, are healthier, have fewer sick days, and it probably extends to mental performance too, which is important in programming. Being fit also probably helps combat physical problems stemming from sitting down too much, such as back problems.

I don't see the difference. Golf is not an athletic sport, and it's plainly absurd to try to argue otherwise. There's nothing "athletic" about walking around slowly and hitting a ball with a stick; even bowling is more athletic than that. It might take some skill, sure, just like playing a musical instrument like a piano takes a lot of skill, but there's nothing athletic about playing a piano either.

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Post by homonculus1 »

scarface74 wrote: post #177
homonculus1 wrote: post #134

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It is the same government. Every power the current administration has at its disposal was granted or expanded at some point in the past into what it is now. The Trump administration is not a paradigm shift toward obscene federal executive power, it has been this way for a long time. The small-government counterargument has always been "You are not going to like this new power when it's inevitably in the hands of the…

While the last thing I want is a “War on Guns” because it will end up just like the “War on Drugs”. It will give another excuse for the government to enforce laws much more harshly on poor and minorities. But at the same time, it’s just silly to think that a reason to own guns is in case the government wants to impose martial law. We are talking about the government with the largest military in the world - with tanks…

Why didn't we just bomb Al-Qaeda into oblivion in 2 weeks? Why couldn't we just shoot communism in North Vietnam? Martial law and occupation are ultimately enforced by infantry patrols. Plus, tanks need fuel and governments can't carpet bomb their own cities.

But it's not just about resisting hypothetical martial law in the future. It's about having a free culture now. Just like encryption, it is the difference between power deriving from consent the governed and an open-air prison and also has legitimate use for personal protection. The mere fact they don't want you to have it is reason enough to keep it by tooth and nail.

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Post by [deleted] »

jonny_eh wrote: post #149
Pigo wrote: post #63

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I know Trump is a politician, but he seems to focus on the culture war and Twitter, not high level corporate battles the masses rarely pay attention to.

He's not a politician, he's a reality show host. He just happens to be president too.

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