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Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Post by slothtrop »

malux85 wrote: post #210
slothtrop wrote: post #208

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While this rings true, consider we can pursue this conclusion for just about any instance where depression is reported. We can say: why aren't you drastically shaking things up? Why are you not making changes of extreme consequence that will completely change your life in unpredictable ways? Change frightens people, but some have more to lose than others. A few years before I met my SO, I had broken up with a partner…

Yes - and it's mushrooms that will knock you out of this funk. The mushrooms fixed him for 2 or so months. During that time he should have woken up and sorted his life out. Thats enough time to start exercising, having the conversations at home and work. You dont have to solve everything all at once, but fixing depression is a cumulative process where even small changes in diet, exercise and environment will compound…

I've tried shrooms, I'm not sure they show anything much the same way anti-depressants don't show anything. But they may be a useful stepping stone to spur change and eschew learned helplessness. No one can alleviate your depression but yourself.

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Post by josephdviviano »

coffeemug wrote: post #130

Counter-anecdote: I've experimented with this stuff extensively in various settings and have known many other people who did, and in my experience it's unequivocally bullshit. Here's what happens. First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depressio…

I think the enlightenment of psychedelics is often oversold, but it isn't naught either. These experiences are one way of proving to yourself that your perceptions are not a clear window, they're more like stained glass. The majik is when you realize how to mold and shape that stained glass such that it leads you to make better decisions, and gain more control over your own experience.

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Post by DennisP »

derefr wrote: post #91
DennisP wrote: post #78

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> heavy-metal soil toxicity; by pesticides; by coincidental allergens in non-active-ingredient plant matter The exact same risks are in your grocery store produce aisle. I'll grant that illegal marijuana has higher risk, but if it's regulated like any legal food crop I don't see the difference; in fact, I'd say there's less, since people consume it in relatively low quantities.

...which is precisely why hospital food is just as processed as drugs are, to remove those variables. Doctors know there's a certain number of X-factors a patient can't avoid (like e.g. eating food from random sources if they're not under in-patient care) but they don't want to introduce new ones if they can help it. Another analogy: a doctor will never prescribe you "a supplement." They might tell you getting more v…

Hospital food is not "just as processed as drugs are." They give you cooked and raw fruits and veggies, not pills derived from them. The lettuce in your hospital salad is the same as any other lettuce.

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

TheOperator wrote: post #209
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #207

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Talk therapy is expensive. $150/HR is about the base rate for my city. An average treatment regimen is 3x1hr/wk or $1,800USD/mo. That's 68% the 2016 individual median equivalent annual income. Therapists qualified and stable enough to treat severe illnesses are exceptionally rare. Rare enough that they can charge a multiple of the rate I quoted, while maintaining a calender as full as they like and a waiting list of…

Not having thousands of dollars you may have otherwise to use for various productive purposes had can also have a detrimental effect on health.

Thanks! That's certainly one of the confounding factors I had in mind when I was writing this. The same goes for traveling to and fro meetings. This is especially painful for hardworking yet poor mentally ill and unskilled workers trying to get their life together. Overcoming mental illness, childhood abuse, medical issues, witnessing or being a victim of a crime, and bettering oneself, oftentimes several of these at once, is a Herculean feat. Asking for help does not mean someone is lesser. In fact, by not helping someone in need they're less likely to ask for help before they do something permanent. For some all this work proves too difficult. For so many reasons.

Most Americans are scraping by with medical, addiction, or mental issues on top of being underpaid, under educated, overworked, and priced out of necessary services like mental/health/child care, housing, and transportation.

It's no wonder so many articles and studies bemoan the current state of affairs.

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Post by heavyset_go »

KennyCason wrote: post #188
heavyset_go wrote: post #92

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> I agree with everything you said, but you didn't say anything that relates to medical benefits of THC for any specific use-cases. I did, though I wasn't explicit. CBD has no discernible effect on CB1 receptors, and produces no anti-emetic effect. THC's CB1 agonism is directly responsible for its strong anti-emetic effect. CB1 agonism also has effects on pain perception and processes in the gut. CBD has no discernib…

I’m curious of your thoughts of marijuana outside of medical value? I notice many people seem to only focus on the medical benefits and not the recreational benefits. Or the creativity and new spark or insight that marijuana or other psychedelics can provide. To me they all seem to be valuable tools to both the healthy and unhealthy mind. (I’m not assuming that you are against recreational use btw!)

I'm an advocate of recreational use. While I believe THC has potential for habituation, the type of addiction it induces is not at all comparable to addictions to substances like nicotine, alcohol, opioids or even caffeine. The habituation potential it has is on par with other psychological addictions, and is unlike addictions to substances that have strong physical components. I believe that marijuana substitution has potential for those who are addicted to stronger drugs when it comes to getting through withdrawals, controlling cravings and maintaining abstinence.

I can attest to the productivity and creativity benefits marijuana provides, and looking at well-known and successful creatives, many of them attribute some of that productivity and creativity to marijuana consumption.

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Post by ecoled_ame »

coffeemug wrote: post #130

Counter-anecdote: I've experimented with this stuff extensively in various settings and have known many other people who did, and in my experience it's unequivocally bullshit. Here's what happens. First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depressio…

Lol. I’ve done a ton of psychedelics and now I’m just one calm and cool cat. The drugs taught me to work my science job, never speak outside of work, ride my skateboard, play video games, don’t get involved with women, sleep a lot, eat good. It’s all the benefits of ego death.

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Post by KennyCason »

heavyset_go wrote: post #215
KennyCason wrote: post #188

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I’m curious of your thoughts of marijuana outside of medical value? I notice many people seem to only focus on the medical benefits and not the recreational benefits. Or the creativity and new spark or insight that marijuana or other psychedelics can provide. To me they all seem to be valuable tools to both the healthy and unhealthy mind. (I’m not assuming that you are against recreational use btw!)

I'm an advocate of recreational use. While I believe THC has potential for habituation, the type of addiction it induces is not at all comparable to addictions to substances like nicotine, alcohol, opioids or even caffeine. The habituation potential it has is on par with other psychological addictions, and is unlike addictions to substances that have strong physical components. I believe that marijuana substitution h…

Thanks for the reply. I agree with your assessment.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

sigstoat wrote: post #105
oarabbus_ wrote: post #57

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Hydroponic cannabis is grown in highly controlled environments and the dosage levels are tested to be within an acceptable range. There are also dozens (hundreds) of other cannabinoids found in marijuana which (may) have additional medical benefits. >It's like prescribing willow bark for a headache when aspirin exists. Willow bark contains salicin, not aspirin, while marijuana contains both THC and CBD. Willow bark a…

> Hydroponic cannabis is grown in highly controlled environments and the dosage levels are tested to be within an acceptable range. the cannabis testing industry is largely garbage. the labs that are properly equipped to do the testing are either forbidden from doing it because they're DEA registered, or they make plenty of money without dealing with fly by night operations that can only pay in cash.

Huh. Strangely my state requires all cannabis products to be tested for CBC and THC and the products are labeled with percentages of each. Why do you think they are garbage?

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Post by sigstoat »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #218
sigstoat wrote: post #105

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> Hydroponic cannabis is grown in highly controlled environments and the dosage levels are tested to be within an acceptable range. the cannabis testing industry is largely garbage. the labs that are properly equipped to do the testing are either forbidden from doing it because they're DEA registered, or they make plenty of money without dealing with fly by night operations that can only pay in cash.

Huh. Strangely my state requires all cannabis products to be tested for CBC and THC and the products are labeled with percentages of each. Why do you think they are garbage?

DEA registration is the only way you can order reference standards for these particular scheduled compounds. the DEA is feds. they don't give a shit about the state laws, and don't permit registered labs to do testing for organizations that are state-legal and fed-illegal.

so the labs that can get reference standards aren't allowed to do the testing.

that doesn't mean there aren't labs that are doing taking samples and then sending reports back. it just means the reports are lies, and the information printed on the labels is meaningless.

your state can require things all day long, that doesn't mean anything productive is happening.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

sigstoat wrote: post #219
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #218

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Huh. Strangely my state requires all cannabis products to be tested for CBC and THC and the products are labeled with percentages of each. Why do you think they are garbage?

DEA registration is the only way you can order reference standards for these particular scheduled compounds. the DEA is feds. they don't give a shit about the state laws, and don't permit registered labs to do testing for organizations that are state-legal and fed-illegal. so the labs that can get reference standards aren't allowed to do the testing. that doesn't mean there aren't labs that are doing taking samples a…

Do you have any actual evidence that the labels on my weed are wrong? I mean, you could be right, but do you have any evidence?
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