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What journalist? Assange is a Russian agent. Even previously there was no doubt but since Mueller this is cemented.
Declaring who is and is not a valid journalist is not a path we, or any society, should go down.
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Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison
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Literally torturing him to a slow death, after doing their utmost to smear his reputation, and a decade of separating him from his family. Then there's the mysterious disappearing of his friends, and presidential candidates laughing about droning him. It sure would be nice to see the tech community challenge the worst of the disinfo and rally behind truth.
You're not doing a very good job of whatever it is you are claiming to support (why not post some information?). Julian Assange is a Russian asset and is getting what he deserves via due process in a court of law.
That's your definition. He would probably argue "enemy of my enemy is my friend".
But by using the language of the military industrial powers that be, you are engaging in doublespeak.
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You're not doing a very good job of whatever it is you are claiming to support (why not post some information?). Julian Assange is a Russian asset and is getting what he deserves via due process in a court of law.
I wish these paranoid conspiracies about Russia would die. Even if he got info from Russia, so what? Nation states publishing derogatory information on each other is great for the people so we can know what the hell our government is actually doing.
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#214... kind of like Guantanamo.
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Civil disobedience is breaking a law because you believe the law itself is wrong. As invented by Thoreau, and practiced by Gandhi and MLK. Breaking a law you otherwise believe in, in the service of some broader goal, is called direct action, riot, or terrorism, depending on the severity of the law broken, and/or the sympathies of the person describing it.
Yes, civil disobedience means you believe the specific law itself is wrong, but not the law-making process . The justness of the law-making process is why the classic method of practicing civil disobedience involves accepting the punishment. MLK: > In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law, as would the rabid segregationist. That would lead to anarchy. One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, loving…
The US Civil Rights movement generally practiced civil disobedience because the views the laws, the law making process, and the process of selecting who could even participate in the law making process as unacceptable.
The key assumption was that enough of the people who could participate in that process were nevertheless moral enough to reform all of those aspecta given a vivid enough demonstration that they could not turn away from of the top-to-bottom injustice of the system.
I don't think Assange was engaging in civil disobedience, nor do I think he would have been justified if he were, but doing so does not and never has relied on faith in the justice of the existing law-making process any more than it does in the law being violated itself.
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What was forged by Russian Intelligence?
You do know that Wikileaks was on the verge of releasing damaging info on Putin. Then magically it never happened after Assange was visited by Russian agents. Sorry they are nothing more than a propaganda machine of Russia at this point. They went political in the last election choosing to keep GOP documents silenced and release the DNC data. I have no issue if Wikileaks wasn’t playing political games. But they are..…
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I'm not remotely convinced of that "fact" at this point.
Sorry, would you clarify? It’s unclear what part of that statement you are questioning.
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If it was illegal in both countries, I wouldn’t need to be extradited since I was gay in Ireland too. Assange isn’t being accused of things that are criminal in the UK.
If you really want to follow this thread, it isn't illegal to be gay in Saudi Arabia, it is only illegal to commit homosexual acts.
Oddly, being gay is a crime in Saudi Arabia, but only committing homosexual acts is a capital offense. I would make a joke about the type of kangaroo court that would convict me of being gay, but it’s sad because they exist and people are convicted.
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#219Wikileaks has a faultless record. They’ve never had to retract a publication. Assange, like him not not, was a reporter, who reported uncomfortable facts about the military and our ruling class. He is being punished, tortured really for this “crime”. He has been endlessly and baselessly slandered. All that alleged bad behaviour while he was imprisoned in the embassy ... funny how there’s been no footage of it, despit…
Say I put up a website that every day posted a story about a Jewish person who had been convicted of a financial crime. Say I promoted this site and built up a fan base. If every story was 100% true, nothing but real convictions.
Would you say this is an honest, faultless website?
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The most detailed, nuanced account of Assange I've seen is this one[0] by Andrew O'Hagan (an author hired to ghostwrite Assange's autobiography who spent a year or so in and out of his orbit). And it's hard to square that account with the image of Assange as a journalist who's being persecuted for the truths he's shared. Though O'Hagan is sympathetic in many ways he doesn't sugarcoat anything, and I came away with th…
Indeed, this is essential reading in its entirety. The image that emerges is one of a vain and duplicitous man who treats his projects as vehicles for self-aggrandizement. His poor character and lack of integrity are unbecoming in anyone who claims to speak truth to power.
That doesn't mean that there hasn't been a coordinated campaign of character attack and punishment for revealing uncomfortable truths against him. Nor does it mean that he is deserving of what has happened