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Re: PinePhone Review

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"Of course, no one wants to place phone calls by typing a lengthy command into their terminal" Are you kidding ? That is all I've ever wanted to do . I have been asking, casually, for a "gnu-phoneutils" package for several years that would give us a small phone tooling suite ... I have largely built this out myself with twilio and, in some ways, it is no longer necessary given that I have built my own little mini-tel…

Can you make calls with Twilio? Like, from my Headset to a Phone?

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Can you provide more info on this Twilio mini-telco? I’ve been working on something similar to work around the lack of well supported libraries for telephony

My phone uses a sim card from a verizon MVNO. I don't even know the phone number. "My" phone number was provisioned, and has always lived, in Twilio. I set up a simple call forward and SMS forward to my SIM number. When I land in a foreign country, I get a new sim card and just point the forwards to the new number. Easy. I wrote a shell script that allows me to SMS from the command line from my phone number . So I ca…

PLEASE. This is such an amazing topic for a presentation.

Re: PinePhone Review

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I see the PinePhone as a Raspberry Pi equivalent in the Smartphone world, there's definitely a big niche for that.

You don’t need your Raspberry PI to run your bank app, handle your payments or your bus-tickets. I’m not sure how I’d even purchase a non digital ticket for quite a few things in Denmark. Don’t get me wrong, I really hope something like PinePhone sees enough adoption to get the apps I need a smartphone to run so I can break away from the two monopolies. I just don’t believe it will happen when Microsoft couldn’t do i…

It wasn't that Microsoft couldn't do it, it's that they chose not to.

Through all of Windows phone 7, 8 and 8.1, the devices that were selling were low end devices -- things like the Lumia 520, especially in markets with more cost sensitivity. Because of software architecture differences, windows phone was often more responsive than android on bottom of the market phones, and that drove sales. But when it came time to release Windows Mobile 10, there were no low end phones.

Having to build out essentially three flavors of your app (one for 7, one for 8, and a 'universal' app for 10) isn't a great way to keep developers engaged either.

Re: PinePhone Review

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Can you provide more info on this Twilio mini-telco? I’ve been working on something similar to work around the lack of well supported libraries for telephony

My phone uses a sim card from a verizon MVNO. I don't even know the phone number. "My" phone number was provisioned, and has always lived, in Twilio. I set up a simple call forward and SMS forward to my SIM number. When I land in a foreign country, I get a new sim card and just point the forwards to the new number. Easy. I wrote a shell script that allows me to SMS from the command line from my phone number . So I ca…

Have you tried using a Twilio Wireless SIM? You can then make actual calls directly through twilio systems

Re: PinePhone Review

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post #196

"Of course, no one wants to place phone calls by typing a lengthy command into their terminal" Are you kidding ? That is all I've ever wanted to do . I have been asking, casually, for a "gnu-phoneutils" package for several years that would give us a small phone tooling suite ... I have largely built this out myself with twilio and, in some ways, it is no longer necessary given that I have built my own little mini-tel…

The only thing I would fix is the "lengthy" part. I want it to be a simple command (I suppose I could wrap it or alias it), but other than that it sounds perfect.

Re: PinePhone Review

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide more info on this Twilio mini-telco? I’ve been working on something similar to work around the lack of well supported libraries for telephony

My phone uses a sim card from a verizon MVNO. I don't even know the phone number. "My" phone number was provisioned, and has always lived, in Twilio. I set up a simple call forward and SMS forward to my SIM number. When I land in a foreign country, I get a new sim card and just point the forwards to the new number. Easy. I wrote a shell script that allows me to SMS from the command line from my phone number . So I ca…

Is this economical? As in, are you paying less in Twilio fees than you would for a similar telco plan?

Re: PinePhone Review

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My phone uses a sim card from a verizon MVNO. I don't even know the phone number. "My" phone number was provisioned, and has always lived, in Twilio. I set up a simple call forward and SMS forward to my SIM number. When I land in a foreign country, I get a new sim card and just point the forwards to the new number. Easy. I wrote a shell script that allows me to SMS from the command line from my phone number . So I ca…

Have you tried using a Twilio Wireless SIM? You can then make actual calls directly through twilio systems

Yes, I have - and indeed that would solve a major usability issue - however I live in a ATT/Tmobile dead-zone and the Twilio SIMs are issued by T-Mobile ...

So I have some weirdness in my workflow just to connect to VZW.

Oh, btw - if you use a verizon MVNO, use US Mobile and not straighttalk because straighttalk does not allow tethering whereas US Mobile does ...

EDIT: one more thing ... using a voip dialer instead of the native iOS dialer is a bit clunky but it also gives me the ability to dial from any of my twilio numbers. So I can pick my "from" number - either personal or rsync.net or (throwaway personal that we give to salespeople). So there is a pro/con involved in using a twilio SIM and the native dialer vs. using a voip dialer...

Re: PinePhone Review

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post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide more info on this Twilio mini-telco? I’ve been working on something similar to work around the lack of well supported libraries for telephony

My phone uses a sim card from a verizon MVNO. I don't even know the phone number. "My" phone number was provisioned, and has always lived, in Twilio. I set up a simple call forward and SMS forward to my SIM number. When I land in a foreign country, I get a new sim card and just point the forwards to the new number. Easy. I wrote a shell script that allows me to SMS from the command line from my phone number . So I ca…

Neat! I have a similar setup, except a little more native support because of Twilio Wireless (not sure if you know about this? https://www.twilio.com/wireless)

I have the Twilio SIM (T-Mobile coverage) in my primary SIM (iPhone dual sim), and then Verizon/ATT/Sprint/TMobile on my e-sim. The e-sim is for data only, because data is expensive (and slow) on Twilio. If you don't have Dual Sim then the data element may be a bit of a roadblock for you to totally switch over to the Twilio SIM depending on your data needs. Tthe goal of my setup is to be completely cell phone agnostic. I wanted to be able to send a single signal into the PSTN over an IP connection OR over a cell-only connection (no data). The native support on this is great when you use the Twilio SIM, but with call forwarding and some other hacks you can get support without the Twilio SIM. Also, the great thing about the SIM is that I can pop it into a phone from 2002, and have it talk to the internet through a series of signals sent via SMS (e.g. server maintenance, open up a firewall for a few moments, etc). I wrote a server that I point the SIM endpoint to, and this server handles all of the forwarding/reception of voice and SMS.

I also built out a CLI for messaging (pulls in SMS history, deletes from Twilio, stores locally encrypted, lets you send out messages on a "convo" view, etc)... using the python API, and then built out a Web UI for making phone calls using client.js (receiving phone calls TBD). This has integrated support with my CardDav contacts (and depending on if someone is in my contacts, they get a different number on the caller ID), which makes for a more powerful (IMO) app than an iOS VOIP app, of which the options are fairly clunky and limited.

It is all pretty hacky but if you want to talk more about it I am curious to see what you have built out. I am not totally dependent on it for a few reasons, a big one being that I don't want to send all of my communications through the unencrypted telephone network.. The long-term goal here is to package it and open-source it so that people can easily "free" their communications, but it is pretty scattered right now.

Eagerly awaiting the PinePhone to give me more flexibility with all of this.

Re: PinePhone Review

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post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My phone uses a sim card from a verizon MVNO. I don't even know the phone number. "My" phone number was provisioned, and has always lived, in Twilio. I set up a simple call forward and SMS forward to my SIM number. When I land in a foreign country, I get a new sim card and just point the forwards to the new number. Easy. I wrote a shell script that allows me to SMS from the command line from my phone number . So I ca…

Is this economical? As in, are you paying less in Twilio fees than you would for a similar telco plan?

I have no idea ...

Certainly it costs some amount more because I pay for US Mobile (verizon MVNO) and then the twilio fees, but I think my monthly Twilio bill is negligible ...

Re: PinePhone Review

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post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My phone uses a sim card from a verizon MVNO. I don't even know the phone number. "My" phone number was provisioned, and has always lived, in Twilio. I set up a simple call forward and SMS forward to my SIM number. When I land in a foreign country, I get a new sim card and just point the forwards to the new number. Easy. I wrote a shell script that allows me to SMS from the command line from my phone number . So I ca…

Is this economical? As in, are you paying less in Twilio fees than you would for a similar telco plan?

Hijacking here, I use a similar setup and the fees are way less than my Telco plan. Standard telco is basically only worth keeping for the Data plans.
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