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So the top of the line specs get you: * 2.4GHz 8‑core 9th‑generation Intel Core i9 processor, Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz * 64GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory * AMD Radeon Pro 5500M with 8GB of GDDR6 memory * 8TB SSD storage for $6099USD. I wonder how it will handle the thermals.

For reference, a Dell Inspiron (~$400) can have a Intel Core 10th gen (+50% L1/L2 and AVX512).

With 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD. And a low res 768p display.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Don't forget that the Touch Bar costs an additional $400 for consumers. The 2015 model was the best MacBook Pro. Perhaps the best laptop yet.

Agreed, I'm still on a 2015 model and still super happy, even battery life is OK. Every time a new MacBook Pro is announced, I'm a bit excited but then I compare and I find no good enough incentive to upgrade yet.

I'm secretly hoping that my 2015 model dies so I can upgrade to a newer sexier one, but the damn beast keeps on working great.

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I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

I’m sure someone has suggested this at some point but why not physical keys with an lcd underneath each key? This would allow those keys to be fully customizable and be worthy of the “Pro” designation.

Because it’s expensive, bulky, and unnecessary. Something like this already exists: the Optimus Maximus keyboard. And while it’s a cool concept, it’s not without its rough edges. [1]

[1] https://www.artlebedev.com/optimus/maximus/

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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It feels as though Apple looked at the two biggest complaints, and gave the smallest concessions they possibly could. • The keyboard uses scissor switches (and thus hopefully won't completely die), but still only has 1mm of key travel. • They added back an escape key to the top row, but the touch bar is still there—and there's still no function keys as a result. The keyboard, okay, maybe Apple really needs those thin…

> maybe Apple really needs those thinness metrics for marketing purposes

Surely the thinness of the keyboards hasn't been relevant in marketing in a while? what kind of consumer does this excite? Surprised Apple are still shouting about it.

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Would it materially harm a company with a trillion dollar market cap to offer a version of this without the touchbar (thus yielding a lower price), so people can afford to upgrade the soldered memory and NVMe drive? Would it also harm them to make a version that didn't have soldered memory/NVMe drive? Ultimately, this is why I switched to a Dell Latitude. Being user hostile to basic memory/disk replacement doesn't fl…

One way Apple has become a trillion dollar company is by minimizing skus. Options mean inventory, development and test costs etc... and can be sources of quality problems triggering warranty repairs or replacements. Doing few things allows one to streamline both product development and manufacturing.

Removing the touchbar has a material financial impact to Apple? We're talking about a CNC machine here, that's how they carve out the aluminum chassis. It would literally involve them carving out less aluminum from the block, because the touchbar would no longer be needed.

Quality problems? You mean like the over-engineered keyboard they've had issues with for three years?

Some decades longer design patterns are battle tested/aren't broken, yet Apple continually tries to break them - thinness to the extent that they now solder memory/disk to the board, putting out a keyboard design that isn't sufficiently tested, and all sorts of Catalina issues that people have documented online.

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"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

For the record: think twice before buying Dell XPS. I'm on my second now. Poor hardware quality on both.

The first got a full replacement of mainboard, keyboard and battery after short circuiting.

The second came with a broken hinge cover out of the box and there still seems to be a driver problem I haven't figured out (random lags up to 5 seconds or so but usually less multiple times a week if not multiple times a day).

Just my experience though. Have good experience with Latitude though, so this is not to say you should avoid Dell entirely.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

> "I'm so glad this model has a touchbar"

I'm so glad this model has a Touch Bar.

I have seen numerous people who have a MBP 2016 or later which just can't use computers without the Touch Bar experience.

If somebody doesn't find it useful, that's OK, but please, there are a lot of people (who doesn't loudly complain at HN) that finds the Touch Bar useful & incorporates it in one's workflow.

I for myself uses my Touch Bar extensively, from when I'm using Emacs (with a bit of scripting & BTT), Terminal.app, Safari, MS Office Suite, and on and on and on.

I really won't care if Apple would release a MBP without one, but I'm worried Apple will remove the (IMO very useful) concept altogether just because of the loud complainers on the net (like the butterfly mechanism).

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Would it materially harm a company with a trillion dollar market cap to offer a version of this without the touchbar (thus yielding a lower price), so people can afford to upgrade the soldered memory and NVMe drive? Would it also harm them to make a version that didn't have soldered memory/NVMe drive? Ultimately, this is why I switched to a Dell Latitude. Being user hostile to basic memory/disk replacement doesn't fl…

Apparently RAM and SSD are no longer soldered.

https://twitter.com/axi0mX/status/1194621631856967688

Edit: Tweet deleted, info is most likely wrong.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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So the top of the line specs get you: * 2.4GHz 8‑core 9th‑generation Intel Core i9 processor, Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz * 64GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory * AMD Radeon Pro 5500M with 8GB of GDDR6 memory * 8TB SSD storage for $6099USD. I wonder how it will handle the thermals.

I have a similarly-spec'd System76 Oryx Pro that cost less than half. No soldered DIMM's either :)

How is the trackpad on there?

I bought a thinkpad since at least the keyboard is as good as my mbp 2012 but the trackpad is horrible.

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