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Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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I don't even understand what you are saying.

I assume it was some snark related to what's happening in Bolivia. I haven't followed that development closely enough myself to comment more than that.

I did not follow the news, either, but it just occured to me that what's happening in Bolivia could have major implications for the German car industry.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Good strategy from Treelon overall. You'll have Tesla producing cars and employing thousands of workers in the U.S, China & Germany so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's. This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations and basically removed Customs tax from many other countries because Tesla can send the cars from three different locations. I just don't un…

> I just don't understand why Tesla is slow in expanding to other countries.

They don't have the capacity. Last quarter, they made as many M3s they have the capacity to make, and sold all of them. Opening new markets just means underserving the current ones more. They will start operations in new countries as they increase capacity and start saturating sales in their current ones.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Israel is so small that you can go anywhere on one charge.

It’s also a small market: 9 million inhabitants.

Tesla is a small scale producer, so their market sizes can be quite small (Norway's population is 5 million and a key market). What drives the market is desire, money and charging. It seems Israel has the first two but hasn't got a good charging infrastructure yet. Once it does, combined with increased incentives for electric cars, I imagine it'll be a good market for them.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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> Inside of Germany That should be "Inside of Europe" because the barriers to selling cars in the EU are just about the same as selling Nevada cars in California. For US->Europe tariffs for cars are around 10% I believe.

Not true. There can be huge import taxes on cars depending on country, even inside EU.

There are no* import taxes on any goods moved within the EU. That's a fundamental principle of the thing.

The fee to register a car for use on public road varies. It's very high in Denmark (120% of the value or something) but the place of manufacture doesn't affect that. Second hand imported cars still need to pay it.

* Exception is the duty paid on alcohol and cigarettes, depending how you define it.

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You can opt out of recaptcha by just boycotting the website which uses it. But of course by "opt out" you mean to remain a user of a service but not the parts you don't like. Whether you are entitled to do this or not is still up for debate.

This is totally disingenuous, especially in a thread comparing to Tesla. With Tesla, I'm directly buying their product or not, and they do have competitors that I could choose from (not particularly great ones yet, I'll admit, but they do exist today and they're going to get there eventually). With Google's ad tech and captcha, my data is being siphoned off to them by third parties . I'm looking at totally unrelated…

> my data is being siphoned off to them by third parties.

they are not "third-party". If a site uses google's products (like analytics or recaptcha), then you could reasonably consider them partner sites to google.

Indeed, google is difficult to boycott - no one is diputing it. However, google obviously isn't very offensive to a large number of people, because there are very dedicated groups who dedicate time and energy into boycotting companies like nestle (which is _very_ difficult to boycott). May be a lot of laymen just don't think that their data is worth protecting (whether they are right or not remains to be seen).

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Please drop your inevitable BER jokes below so we can recylce them properly later.

Wait, so if I have this correct, the airport took ~6 years to construct and 9 years and counting to correct problems with its construction? Meaning that it would have been faster to tear the entire building down and rebuild it from scratch than it is taking to remedy the issues? How does that happen‽

Running scrum on a physical waterfall with dependencies.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Please drop your inevitable BER jokes below so we can recylce them properly later.

Wait, so if I have this correct, the airport took ~6 years to construct and 9 years and counting to correct problems with its construction? Meaning that it would have been faster to tear the entire building down and rebuild it from scratch than it is taking to remedy the issues? How does that happen‽

Well, it's not just years, every day of that means money that gets shifted. I couldn't find the article I read years ago about one of the companies involved, and their string of similar projects in other countries, but here's something to give you an idea how much this thing reeks: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36185194

When I read "embarrassingly poor planning" and similar phrases in articles about it, I have to think of someone who "clumsily" spills coffee on the dress of Marilyn Monroe, for lack of a better image, and then "embarrassingly" ends up with his head planted on her chest, because he "stumbled" while "hastily trying to make up for the mistake with a handkerchief". Sure, that's one way to put it. But beyond all the plausible deniability, someone is benefitting, one way or another.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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As far as I remember, the estimation was that the fire system was properly designed (although more complex for the mentioned artistic reasons) and would have worked - for the building that was originally planned, which the airport company then changed massively.

Seems like there's a lesson there about sticking to tried and proven solutions even if you come up with a better one. Or maybe it's a worse is better thing?

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