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Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B

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John Gruber^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Dan Lyons^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Steve Ballmer had another colourful analogy, he used it in response to companies claiming that a merger would create a powerhouse to challenge the market leader: "It’s like taking the two guys who finished second and third in a 100-yard dash and tying their legs together and asking for a rematch, believing that now they’ll run faster." (Thanks to "raldi" f…

However, if the merging companies compete in the same market, it would be fairer to claim that "It's like taking the number two and number three sprinters in the world, and having them run IN SERIES against the number one sprinter." (emphasis mine). Because number two and three companies merging to a new number one does in fact happen. (Note that this is the case here, though. No idea where Google is going with this.…

I don't know that that analogy follows, because agglomerations of thousands of people doing a complex task really aren't that comparable to two people doing one simple task.

Taking one example I know of second-hand:

My brother worked for the #2 company in his industry at the time they acquired #3 in an effort to overtake the market leader. It worked out disastrously. It turns out that #3, despite being the less profitable (and therefore less valuable) company, was also physically larger. Internally it had a lot of inefficient ways of doing things that resulted in them needing a lot more people to accomplish the same volume of work.

You might think that #2 was then able to lean up #3 and make them more profitable, as part of the acquisition process. But it just isn't that simple - this was a large multinational with ossified internal procedures that were baked into the very infrastructure (both physical and IT) of the company. Things were never going to change overnight.

So, instead, what happened was that, over the next 1-2 years, #3's culture got imposed on the employees from #2, by simple virtue of the #3 camp being twice as many people. So, in the years since then, the #1 company's market lead has consolidated into outright market dominance, as a result of their #2 competitor suddenly becoming no more competitive than their #3 competitor.

Re: Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B

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post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Eventually, all startups will be acquired into the FAANG companies, That fatalistic sentiment is often repeated but it's not inevitable that all startups will be acquired by bigger companies. The missing gap in that thinking is that people forget that the startup's founders have free will and must willingly agree to being acquired. I made previous comments about this with examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

But do they have free will if their startup is majority owned by VC funds?

>But do they have free will if their startup is majority owned by VC funds?

Yes. Even if the VCs control the majority of board seats and voting rights of the startup, companies like Google/Facebook/Amazon/Microsoft are not in the business of doing hostile takeovers with uncooperative founders. Yes, hedge funds will do that but not FAANG companies.

Typically, it's always a friendly deal and they want to lock in cooperative founders with "golden handcuffs" -- e.g. 4-year stock vesting, etc. So yes, even if the startup founders have less voting power, they're still in the driver's seat in multiple ways.

Can anyone think of an example where a FAANG acquired a startup with uncooperative startup founders? I guess it's possible that there's a startup out there and the only thing valuable about the company is its patent portfolio and FAANG doesn't care about the founders skill sets at all. In such a scenario, I guess they could collude with the VCs and override the founders to buy the startup. I just can't think of such an example.

The point still remains: if you're a startup founder, you can listen to the offers from Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, when they come calling -- but that doesn't mean you have to accept it and sell. Even though billions of dollars being waved in your face is persuasive, many founders have egos and like them, maybe you don't want to report to LP/MZ/JB as your new boss. Part of the joy of running your own company is that you're not someone's subordinate and you don't have to follow the agenda of a manager above you.

Re: Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B

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post #51

> The company never sells personal information, and Fitbit health and wellness data will not be used for Google ads. Is there any legal enforcement to prevent this in the future? Besides marketing by health status, I can imagine that advertisers would be very interested in your heart rate before / during / after viewing an ad.

Google has already been sued for linking health data, so this should certainly raise eyebrows for those interested, and I wouldn't expect Google to have any free pass here either.

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post #49

I for one welcome this change. I want a standalone smartwatch good enough so that I can stop using my phone. The state of smartwatches right now is quite sad (I cannot afford an Apple smartwatch so I cannot speak for those). The simple list of things I want from a smartwatch right now are barely fulfilled by the best I could find which is Huawei Watch 2. I want Google Pay, calls and LTE, proper Maps navigation, sendi…

The Apple Watch Series 3 with cellular is $329. How much cheaper can you get a smart watch with cellular, gps, health sensors, etc?

Yeah but you really need to buy the IPhone to go with it.

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https://news.yahoo.com/google-acquiring-fitbit-130619853.htm... "Google has struggled to make much of a dent in the wearables category..." "Fitbit, meanwhile, has had issues maintaining growth in recent years." Failure + failure = success?

A large established and (based on personal connections) loyal fan base is a failure? Growth is not everything. Growth isn’t even really sustainable over a long enough time span, and Fitbit’s been around awhile.

In financialized capitalism growth is everything. If capital isn't generating growth for its holders it is losing it (relative to other investments).

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post #46

Vic Gundotra (VP Google) said back when Microsoft bought Nokia that "two turkeys don't make an eagle". Google officially has become the Microosft of the mid 2000s. Lack of direction and innovation, buying up companies just for the sake of it. Here is a link to Google's anology: https://www.techspot.com/news/42338-google-attacks-nokia-and...

80% to 90% of Google’s revenue derives from collecting your personal information, and you think that buying a wristband that tracks the biometrics of 25 million people is “just for the sake of it”?

Right. Google seems to never have created or bought a product that did not collect data in a new way. It's the only question I ask when I see a new product from them - "What new data is this giving them?"

Re: Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B

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post #46

Vic Gundotra (VP Google) said back when Microsoft bought Nokia that "two turkeys don't make an eagle". Google officially has become the Microosft of the mid 2000s. Lack of direction and innovation, buying up companies just for the sake of it. Here is a link to Google's anology: https://www.techspot.com/news/42338-google-attacks-nokia-and...

eunalogy methinks

Re: Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B

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Apple would be fools to not offer Android support on the Apple watch on the back of this news... But they are so concerned about ecosystem lock in they might not. There are now officially no stylish or social alternatives to Google or Apple wearables. I'm sorry, but Garmin is just not style focused and one of the benefits of fitbit is the social aspect of challenging your friends. This is a huge blow to wearables.

Doesn't Amazfit GTR cover that? https://en.amazfit.com/gtr.html

Re: Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B

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post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me when Microsoft acquired Nokia for some reason.

I think the Google acquisition of Motorola is relevant as well. On the surface, it looks like it makes sense, but Google has a horrible track record with these things.

I thought Google acquired Moto for the patent portfolio. On that basis the transaction seems to have paid off given the relative lack of noise on the troll front recently.

Re: Google Buys Fitbit for $2.1B

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post #181
post #46

Vic Gundotra (VP Google) said back when Microsoft bought Nokia that "two turkeys don't make an eagle". Google officially has become the Microosft of the mid 2000s. Lack of direction and innovation, buying up companies just for the sake of it. Here is a link to Google's anology: https://www.techspot.com/news/42338-google-attacks-nokia-and...

80% to 90% of Google’s revenue derives from collecting your personal information, and you think that buying a wristband that tracks the biometrics of 25 million people is “just for the sake of it”?

80-90% of Google's revenue derives from organizing your personal information and selling ad products derived from it. It's not a direct transfer of data into cash.

I'm not sure people really need biometrics data to advertise to you more effectively.

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