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Re: Soli

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post #193

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but can't the front camera do that with a simple gestures classifier ?

Probably, but that doesn't sell $650 phones

I like the privacy aspect "it's not a camera, it doesn't take picture"

It does send millimetre waves though, could that mean we could hack Soli to view through clothes ? Like a full-body scanner works ?

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It is a nice piece of technology. It is a 60Ghz millimeter-wave radar. It is a privacy nightmare. It is already shipped. Radar uses electromagnetic waves (like Wifi but higher frequency) so it can go through walls, and even typical range for gesture recognition is less than meter, It probably can go at least 10 times as far by boosting the gain of the amplifier, it is not constrained like a theremin would be because…

> 60Ghz millimiter-wave radar > so it can go through walls 60 GHz RF doesn't really pass through anything , which is the entire reason that the frequency is used for radar. A radar needs powerful reflections to detect things. Penetration impedes its operation, and would be akin to a camera that is out of focus. I'm also unsure if the resolution of this chip is noteworthy.

Yup, the range claims are silly, too. Radar has an inverse fourth power with distance, so to go 10x as far by adding power, you need 10000x as much power, which is quite a challenge at 60GHz.

Re: Soli

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This doesnt make sense for phones. But when it becomes reliable, it will be a good usecase for smartwatches. It already has less screen area and limited option for button input. So gestures makes sense.

Re: Soli

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post #58

Not sure what to think about it. Seems awesome at first glance but then the examples are skipping songs and hand waving pokemons. Feels a lot like a solution looking for a problem.

It could be handy for a digital assitant to know when you're near the phone. You could use a particular motion to wake it for audio input rather than a button or having the phone always listening for audio. You could possibly use it for presenting slides, or have it measure a piece of wood or string or fabric or a package for you.

Re: Soli

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Why do consumers "need" to boycott this stuff? I want this stuff, and I want it cheap and readily available -- and hopefully more advanced over time. The "features" on this press release look useful to me as a start to something much better later.

Some people find joy in maintaining their privacy. They also ruin some of the fun, because "regular" people (non privacy enthusiasts) find joy in cool new technology like this. They make a good point, but they also probably didn't read the documentation, because it clearly says sensor data is never sent to Google.

Why should we believe that this product doesn't serve Google's core business--mass data collection -> advertisement?

Like another commenter said, this would be a lot more innocuous coming from Nintendo or something.

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post #165

Those growing up with Remote Controls of the kind: https://i.imgur.com/AIqz63k.jpg After a few days, the user develops a muscle memory of sorts. User doesn't even have to look at the controller and all actions (and feedback) are executed through the tactile interface. From cockpits to nuclear power plants to home tv remote control, there is absolutely nothing that replaces physical buttons, encoders, sliders and togg…

I have an apple trackpad device (i.e. separate from the laptop) and I believe it uses a fake haptic feedback to indicate a "click" as opposed to a real mechanism. It's indistinguishable from a real click. HOWEVER, it makes my skin crawl when the driver doesn't register my click and there is zero feedback when I press down on it. It's like pressing down on the surface of my desk and it feels absolutely gross. This hap…

With the "Magic trackpad 2" if you have it turned off, there is no haptic feedback. At the time I didn't know it was haptic feedback and I was so confused as to how the whole click was broken.

Re: Soli

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post #162

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That's an interesting take that I could completely see now. When I watched it, I guess I took it more at face value, that in the future when everything is automated, only celebrities and 'power generators' will exist, and of course the rest of the stuff like unskippable ads and in-your-face pornography.

I think the lack of "enforcers" of any kind throughout the episode is key to understanding it. The closest thing we really see is the Cuppliance drink. The stage hands hesitatingly start to step in near the end, but are waved off and aren't exactly jack-booted thugs anyway. Those demoted aren't dragged away crying. Our protagonist does property damage without apparent censure (one is left to suppose the screens get r…

I've always been jealous of people who can see so deeply into things, I absolutely cannot unless it's pointed out. I think my mind wanders off when watching, so I miss the details. In any event, thank you very much for the write-up, this makes that episode so much more intriguing to me.

Re: Soli

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Would be useful when cooking with mess on your hands and trying to scroll through a recipe.

This is the one and only suggestion so far that makes sense. It would be nice when cooking. If I was sitting in a bus/train/plane/concert/ , there is no chance in hell I am waving my hands at a phone. I would even feel silly doing it at home.

Don't forget wet hands (after a shower maybe) and gloves too. But yeah I agree right now the much better use is detecting when you're near, but for saving battery and for speeding up Face ID.

That being said, the website near the bottom show cases finer controls, such as scrolling and turning a dial. I could see these being added in the future for finely controlling some UI elements without your finger blocking the way.

Re: Soli

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post #58

Not sure what to think about it. Seems awesome at first glance but then the examples are skipping songs and hand waving pokemons. Feels a lot like a solution looking for a problem.

The main thing it's used for anticipating your movement for face unlock. This makes face unlock a bit faster on the Pixel than on the iPhone. Although that's a lot of tech for such a minor thing.

Also turning of AOD when you're away, potentially saving battery.
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