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Post by therealx »

koolba wrote: post #180
tartoran wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If heroin and meth were "legal" in the sense of they being freely dispensed in special places and surely taken under supervision, you'd see a lot less violence caused by its users. That could be the starting point to get people off drugs, the same places could have get off drugs programs. The problem is that nobody really cares and the war on drugs causes more problems than it creates.

This has been tried with safe injection sites to mixed results. There seems to be a reduction in overdoses but also a rise in crime in the areas. Given the choice, it’s rationale that non-users in the area wouldn’t want that bargain.

Safe injection sites don't decriminalize the purchasing, so the price structure stays prohibitively high and the social cost stays high.

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Post by JonAtkinson »

cheez wrote: post #200
simonsaidit wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make it yourself and its a quite easy process. Look up dmt tek

I'd rather the OP respond tbh.

I’m afraid there was no secret. I went to a drug dealer I knew and asked him to source some for me. It wasn’t expensive, but I needed to wait a few weeks.

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Post by 09bjb »

cf141q5325 wrote: post #98
JonAtkinson wrote: post #14

I used another psychedelic (DMT) to self treat my alcoholism. While it is early days still, I am almost 600 days sober. The drug allowed to me introspect and access my mind in a way which was previously blocked. From the perspective it unlocked, it was easy to see the harm I was doing to myself and others. It changed my life.

Same here, but as a side effect to two doses of magic truffles with a few month break between them (15gr and 25gr respectively at ~120kg. With the weight, remember fresh truffles are a lot heavier then dried shrooms). Granted, i have only been sober for half a year but i dont really have the urge to start again. I didnt think this was an option before. But just describing it as "stopped drinking" also cuts it short,…

+1: similar experience and same book recommendation.

I've had one high-dose psychedelic session in each of the last three years and while the experiences themselves were sometimes difficult, the positive changes are hard to overstate. They seem mild at first, but the unshakable sense of self-worth, of purpose, and of belonging in the universe have become such strong foundations for all the positivity that I build above them that at this point I don't know how much of my beautiful life to attribute to my luck in getting into psychedelics in the first place.*

* ...in the right way, of course. The drugs themselves are a neutral technology like any other, and must be used in the right way in order to be helpful rather than harmful or merely novel.

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Post by JonAtkinson »

mylons wrote: post #65
JonAtkinson wrote: post #14

I used another psychedelic (DMT) to self treat my alcoholism. While it is early days still, I am almost 600 days sober. The drug allowed to me introspect and access my mind in a way which was previously blocked. From the perspective it unlocked, it was easy to see the harm I was doing to myself and others. It changed my life.

were you having break through experiences, or using a lower dose?

I think I broke through. But I haven’t done DMT before or since, so I can’t be sure. I definitely went somewhere far away in my perception, I felt like I had travelled a long distance. I was alone and I didn’t note the time though, so it’s possible it only lasted a few second.

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

cheez wrote: post #182
JonAtkinson wrote: post #14

I used another psychedelic (DMT) to self treat my alcoholism. While it is early days still, I am almost 600 days sober. The drug allowed to me introspect and access my mind in a way which was previously blocked. From the perspective it unlocked, it was easy to see the harm I was doing to myself and others. It changed my life.

I've got a habit I'm trying to break as well and I pondered using drugs. But I don't do drugs otherwise. How do you go about finding DMT?

I’ve heard that you can also grow mushrooms at home. Look up PF Tek.

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Post by JonAtkinson »

cf141q5325 wrote: post #98
JonAtkinson wrote: post #14

I used another psychedelic (DMT) to self treat my alcoholism. While it is early days still, I am almost 600 days sober. The drug allowed to me introspect and access my mind in a way which was previously blocked. From the perspective it unlocked, it was easy to see the harm I was doing to myself and others. It changed my life.

Same here, but as a side effect to two doses of magic truffles with a few month break between them (15gr and 25gr respectively at ~120kg. With the weight, remember fresh truffles are a lot heavier then dried shrooms). Granted, i have only been sober for half a year but i dont really have the urge to start again. I didnt think this was an option before. But just describing it as "stopped drinking" also cuts it short,…

That sounds like a really positive change in your life. I hope you continue to feel good.

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

carapace wrote: post #164

Set and setting. The drug just rattles your cage. I quoted Leary on 'set and setting' the other day on an LSD history thread and mentioned Leonard Orr used to get great results with nothing more exotic than oxygen, so rather than repeat that ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21264919 ) I'll say this: If you have a modality of therapy that works, it will work without the drug (which, at best, serves as an amplifi…

It’s true that claiming the pill will cure smoking is a lie. That’s no more true than saying the tires on your car will get you to work. The scientific studies of late depend on the use of the pill and a specially trained therapist through multiple sessions. Several drug free sessions to discuss deep issues and get to know one another, an introductory session with the equivalent of 2g of dried mushrooms, and two weeks later a full session with the equivalent of 5-6g dried mushrooms. All of this is with the trained therapist who knows the patient. And the results are undeniable. Of course it may be possible to find these benefits without the therapist, but certainly with the therapist the drug can enable deeply valuable medical treatment. Anyone who claims the drug fixes the problem by itself is either a quack or is speaking slightly incorrectly and really trying to say the drug was an important part of their solution.

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Post by newnewpdro »

cheez wrote: post #182
JonAtkinson wrote: post #14

I used another psychedelic (DMT) to self treat my alcoholism. While it is early days still, I am almost 600 days sober. The drug allowed to me introspect and access my mind in a way which was previously blocked. From the perspective it unlocked, it was easy to see the harm I was doing to myself and others. It changed my life.

I've got a habit I'm trying to break as well and I pondered using drugs. But I don't do drugs otherwise. How do you go about finding DMT?

Get some mushrooms, everything else is going to be more risky and a lot more like a hard drug use situation experientially.

You can grind up mushrooms and steep them like a tea, or just eat them as-is. It's nothing like using drugs, more like consuming a food that has an odd effect then just goes away once it's passed through.

Also, start small, it's useful for acclimating to the whole experience. And you might find what you're looking for without even taking a full psychedelic dose. Microdosing shrooms is still quite active, much like drinking a cup of coffee is.

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Post by carapace »

AnthonBerg wrote: post #207
carapace wrote: post #164

Set and setting. The drug just rattles your cage. I quoted Leary on 'set and setting' the other day on an LSD history thread and mentioned Leonard Orr used to get great results with nothing more exotic than oxygen, so rather than repeat that ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21264919 ) I'll say this: If you have a modality of therapy that works, it will work without the drug (which, at best, serves as an amplifi…

In MAPS’ completed Phase 2 trials with 107 participants, 61% no longer qualified for PTSD after three sessions of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy two months following treatment. At the 12-month follow-up, 68% no longer had PTSD. All participants had chronic, treatment-resistant PTSD, and had suffered from PTSD for an average of 17.8 years. https://maps.org/research/mdma/ptsd/phase3 Drugs used in therapy can resolve decad…

I'm not an anti-drug puritan. (That would be so so hypocritical.) I think the criminalization of e.g. MDMA and the others is deeply foolish and has done a lot of harm. (To make an understatement. Frankly, I think you should be able to get clean liquid acid or MDMA at the local pharmacy. Why not? "Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do with my brain chemistry if I'm not hurting anyone?", eh?)

I don't want to take anything away from people, I just want us to think clearly about what's really going on when these kind of excellent results occur.

In the excitement over the successes with MDMA we shouldn't overlook things like Emotional Freedom Technique or Feldenkrais Technique that have also had wonderful successes with PTSD and yet don't involve ingesting substances. If we do, we risk missing out on the essential aspects of effective therapy.

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Post by hello_newman »

09bjb wrote: post #213
cf141q5325 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here, but as a side effect to two doses of magic truffles with a few month break between them (15gr and 25gr respectively at ~120kg. With the weight, remember fresh truffles are a lot heavier then dried shrooms). Granted, i have only been sober for half a year but i dont really have the urge to start again. I didnt think this was an option before. But just describing it as "stopped drinking" also cuts it short,…

+1: similar experience and same book recommendation. I've had one high-dose psychedelic session in each of the last three years and while the experiences themselves were sometimes difficult, the positive changes are hard to overstate. They seem mild at first, but the unshakable sense of self-worth, of purpose, and of belonging in the universe have become such strong foundations for all the positivity that I build abo…

As someone who is interested in taking a guided trip to help with some personal problems of mine, how do you go about finding these people who perform guided therapy sessions w/ MDMA/LSD/DMT etc?
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