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They'll probably skip to 7.
no, it's called cperl now. perl5 didn't see not much improvements for the last 20 years, the development happens only in cperl, which is the perl5 successor.
bwahahahahaha
Larry Wall has approved renaming Perl 6 to Raku
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Re: Larry Wall has approved renaming Perl 6 to Raku
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I'm trying to understand, what kind of scripting requires first-class concurrency that isn't fulfilled by say Python?
tldr; Using a scripting language that allows for native threads or has a strong concurrency model builtin to the core would be beneficial for any CPU bound scripting task... ----- Python's concurrency model is good for waiting on network or disk I/O because of its GIL (Global Interpreter Lock): https://realpython.com/python-gil/#the-impact-on-multi-threa... If your program is CPU bound the GIL will slow you down. I'm…
As I've posted above, I'm a bit confused by CPU-bound work being processed in a scripting language. If you're planning on doing intense CPU-bound work, maybe use a lower-level language? I'm not saying abandon Python: you can extend Python with C or just use IPC to transfer data between a Python front-end and a computation back-end.
Re: Larry Wall has approved renaming Perl 6 to Raku
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How familiar are you with Perl, and how much have you used it? Most of the anti-Perl comments I've heard have been from people who really didn't know it very well, if at all. Some of them might have glanced at some Perl code and saw a dense regex and dismissed it as "line noise". Well, yeah, if you don't know regexes you would be forgiven for thinking it was line noise, but if you did know regexes it should look no m…
>How familiar are you with Perl, and how much have you used it? It's what my company's entire code base is written in. So every hour of every work day for the past 6 months. >To me it looks really no uglier than any other mainstream language, and one could easily make the argument that any other mainstream language you care to name is uglier in some of its own ways. It's no one thing, but a bunch of little things tha…
Huh, I worked at a company that wrote 1.5 million lines of perl together, and we never ended up with those problems. Maybe you picked the wrong co-workers? You can screw up in any language.
Re: Larry Wall has approved renaming Perl 6 to Raku
#214I really wish the Perl 6 -> Raku change could let it catch up with other languages such as Python. Edit: sorry for the confusion. I meant popularity-wise. I wish the change would clarify to people that Perl 6 and Perl 5 are basically two different languages and people should at least consider Perl 6 as an option when they start a new project.
Assuming you mean rename the next version of a programming language — I think that’s a horrible idea. The entire point of continuing with the previous name is that eventually the community will move onto the new language. I’m guessing Perl 6 made too many incompatible changes from Perl 5 though I don’t know much about them.
Perl 6 started out as a plan for the next version of Perl.
Over the years (announced in 2000, delivered in 2015) it evolved into a distinct language.
In the meantime, Perl5 suffered from the Osbourne Effect.
Meanwhile a rift developed in the Perl community. Some are for Perl 5 forever. Some are Perl 6 forever. Some Perl 5 people blame Perl 6 for Perl 5's perception as a dead language. Some Perl 6 people blame Perl 5's reputation for being "write only" and "dead" for difficulty getting people to try Perl 6.
IMHO, both sides are correct, both sides over-state their case.
Renaming Perl 6 has been discussed for close to a decade, by people who are Perl 5, Perl 6, and just plain Perl partisans.
It's been a difficult decision. Many people have worked very hard on both projects, and have strong feelings tied up in the issue. Important contributors to the projects have quit as a result the issues.
This isn't a change that was lightly made. It's far bigger than the Python 2 to Python 3 divergence. It's more like moving from C to C#.
Re: Larry Wall has approved renaming Perl 6 to Raku
#215This has been a huge deal for the Perl community. First, it was thought that Perl 6 would be the replacement for Perl 5. But it was long ago recognized that there was no clear upgrade path from Perl 5 to Perl 6, so it was agreed that Perl 6 was a "sister" language to Perl 5 rather than the successor. Except that many people expected that Perl 6 would be the replacement, so that stalled many projects. So an "alias" fo…
And this might save Raku. Lisp has a social problem: It's been called Lisp too long. People look at some simplified LISP 1.5-esque thing in a programming languages textbook and see a "pure" language (which isn't so pure compared to Haskell, but the creep of what "functional programming" means is its own post) which is completely useless. They don't see modern Common Lisp with its package management facility and its p…
> Foogols get new names every couple decades (PL/I to Ada to C to C++ to Java to C#... )
+1 for Foogol. Reference to commercially obscure language but annoyingly influencial Algol?
Re: Larry Wall has approved renaming Perl 6 to Raku
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> Larry has now agreed with the change and Perl 6 will be renamed to "raku" and Perl 5, which has regular, major releases every year, will now be able to simply be "Perl" and be free to continue on its own way. I hope that doesn't mean that when Perl needs a major number version change again, they'll chose 6. It would be pretty confusing to have 2 Perl 6.
It's not uncommon to leap frog versions in such cases. PHP went from 5 to 7, for instance.
For those that can remember back that far, MacOS also jumped from 5 to 7. (7 was the first version that supported running multiple applications at once.. not counting the MultiFinder hack that came before it by a few years.)
Re: Larry Wall has approved renaming Perl 6 to Raku
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Perl 6 is WAY more different than Perl 5. Python 3 absolutely should not have been renamed.
Well right now I avoid using any tool written in python that doesn't have os-level packages because there still isn't a clean way to use python repos without deep understanding of how python works.
I think this is more connect with the lack of familiarity with the language ecosystem than anything. I avoid tools written in node.js, even if installing is somewhat easy, most because I don't really know how to manage them later.
Btw, nowadays with a modern pip a simple `pip install --user package-name` works.
Re: Larry Wall has approved renaming Perl 6 to Raku
#218Call me a pessimist, but its too little too late... I learned regex in perl so the language will always have a soft spot in my heart. But Python has trounced Perl for almost any task. There simply is no reason to learn perl unless youre in the unfortunate position of managing some legacy stack.
> Call me a pessimist, but its too little too late...Python has trounced Perl for almost any task.
Moving forward I'm assuming you're talking about Raku and not about Perl (or Perl 5).
Do you mean little too late to be endorsed by a multi-million company? Or little too late for everything (personal projects, academia, etc.)? I'm trying to clarify this because I've never understood this sailed ship mentality regarding programming languages. And I know you're not saying this but it almost sounds like Raku is supposed to be a replacement for Python. It isn't. They're different languages, both good in some areas and bad in other areas. These areas need not be necessarily overlapping.
Whenever I read this kind of comments, they always remind of the following phrase I came across:
There are two things that a programming language needs to be acceptable:
- Be Python
- Be a language I have used recently
Re: Larry Wall has approved renaming Perl 6 to Raku
#219Kudos for making this change! This is what the folks at Microsoft should have done when ASP became ASP.NET and ASP.NET became ASP.NET Core. I know... keeping the root of the name the same makes management think the technology is fundamentally the same (and, therefore, cheaper) but the SEO confusion trying to find the right version of an answer is a PITA. Secondarily, while Perl has never appealed to me I am more like…
> Kudos for making this change!
Rakudos, even!
Re: Larry Wall has approved renaming Perl 6 to Raku
#220It would be cool if Les Claypool played Larry Wall in the movie.