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Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in California coastal waters

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"A scientific review of 52 studies recently concluded that humans on average consume a credit card’s worth of microplastic each week." Wow

Can someone tell me why microplastics are actually bad? I feel like scientists have recently been discovering they're everywhere, but is there any negative effect? They really are everywhere, and theres nothing we can do now.

I bought a Patagonia fleece the other day, and realized the thing is practically made out of microplastics, or 'recycled polyester'. And Patagonia claims to be an eco-friendly company, even though they acknowledge the microplastics problem.

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Mining operations rarely find pure metals in the ground. Ore is a dilute mixture of rock with trace metals which must be extracted through processing.

To categorize what's found on the shoulders of highways entirely as an ore of some trace metal is to completely dismiss the rest of its content as irrelevant, despite being the bulk of its volume, in a discussion ostensibly about pollution.

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> I can't fathom why the US insists on stop signs and traffic lights everywhere. A neighborhood I used to drive through on my way to work had 4 way stops sprouting up constantly. I don't mean to sound snarky or judgemental, so please understand that is not my intention... Sometimes they do this to dissuade people from commuting to work through neighborhoods. Again, I don't mean to judge, that might be the best/safest…

I may be being a bit of a pedant but do you mean roundabout? Traffic circles and roundabouts are different. A traffic circle, in the modern sense, does not have much horizontal deflection on the entering legs. The diameter is also smaller and there is not a truck apron. A roundabout on the other hand has some form of horizontal deflection and a truck apron. Often times a traffic circle can be installed by placing a r…

You are correct, it is technically a roundabout. $1.3 million for a single lane roundabout with a raised median. Does that cost sound reasonable?

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As shocking as that is, I'd like to see some confirmation of that number.

I don't doubt the analogy, but I think we need to study if this is actually harmful. Does the body expel it entirely as waste, or is some left behind, etc.

We used to think that trace amounts of pesticides in our food supply was perfectly safe.

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>I'm not convinced trains would be viable economically like they are in Japan. In my opinion I think rail would displace a great deal of airline traffic because air travel security is such a chore, airlines have done their very best to squeeze out every last nickel and concerns about how green air travel is or is not. Add in the fact that there is far more room per passenger in a train and with dining cars (which are…

Current technologies are too far behind in speed though. Passengers will trade better wifi, food, space, etc, in exchange for longer travel times but only up to a point. If a New York to LA trip goes from 5 to 25 hours then it's no longer viable. Unfortunately the radius that trains can be competitive barely reaches from LA to SF.

>Current technologies are too far behind in speed though.

That depends entirely on the distance traveled; no one is suggesting a replacement of transcontinental flights with trains. But there's plenty of medium and short haul flights (for example) that would be far more comfortable on a train with little difference in total travel time once you've factored airport security overhead.

I'll give you a practical example: my wife and I live in Houston and regularly visit New Orleans. It's a one hour and five minute flight on Southwest which is one of the few airlines that still allow two suitcases per passenger for free. That's a five to six hour drive if I choose to go by car and with rare exception I choose to drive. I'm happy to trade two to three more hours on the road versus the hassle of dealing with the airport.

>Passengers will trade better wifi, food, space, etc, in exchange for longer travel times but only up to a point.

The time to travel between Houston to New Orleans would be two to three hours by high speed train. That's competitive with the Southwest flight and fast enough I'd seriously consider versus driving myself. In fact at those speeds I'd start looking at longer trips either to Mexico, farther West to Arizona, New Mexico or Colorado or farther East to tourist destinations there. At least for me it would increase my travel options and I'd be sure to take advantage over it over flying.

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I may be being a bit of a pedant but do you mean roundabout? Traffic circles and roundabouts are different. A traffic circle, in the modern sense, does not have much horizontal deflection on the entering legs. The diameter is also smaller and there is not a truck apron. A roundabout on the other hand has some form of horizontal deflection and a truck apron. Often times a traffic circle can be installed by placing a r…

Traffic circles and roundabouts don't exist. Those things are all called rotaries. The tiny ones are inherently defective, especially for large vehicles. The larger rotaries can be nice, especially when installed above a freeway that intersects with low-volume roads, but they are too costly unless the land is very cheap. A decent use of a rotary is in Massachusetts where Drum Hill Road and Old Westford Road meet US 4…

Surely you mean US 3 and MA 4

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California air quality regulators have stated that we shouldn't have any housing within 500 feet of freeways. Living near freeways increases your risk of a host of negative health effects (asthma, heart issues, etc). https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-freeway-pollu...

Maybe California should worry about having adequate affordable housing before worrying about where said housing is located.

yeah fuck em, lets just put them next to the oil distilleries in Richmond. freeway and air pollutants.

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This does not in anyway apply to Tesla right?

Teslas use regenerative brakes for 90% of braking, so brake pad dust is greatly reduced, but tire wear is no different, if not somewhat higher. It's not just the weight of the cars, but the high torque on acceleration tends to wear tires faster.

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Came up in conversation when I took my car in that up until recently they were using little bits of copper in brake pads for... noise control? heat? I can't recall which. But that's been outlawed now, presumably due to potential for metal toxicity (any mineral you need in your diet is also lethal at higher doses). We're leaving powdered copper at every stop light.

Weren't brakes made of asbestos at one time?

Yes. Napa and other brake manufacturers are called into lots of mesothelioma trials. Brake pad exposure is usually smaller contributors to such cases. That is, the victim often had much worse exposure other places, but they still look at how much brake pad exposure the person had too.

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post #163

Tangentially related; I can't fathom why the US insists on stop signs and traffic lights everywhere. A neighborhood I used to drive through on my way to work had 4 way stops sprouting up constantly. The massive waste of resources involved in hauling 2 tons of steel and glass down from speed to 0, for _absolutely no reason 99% of the time_, accelerating it back up to speed again, just to do the same, over and over, bo…

> I can't fathom why the US insists on stop signs and traffic lights everywhere. A neighborhood I used to drive through on my way to work had 4 way stops sprouting up constantly. I don't mean to sound snarky or judgemental, so please understand that is not my intention... Sometimes they do this to dissuade people from commuting to work through neighborhoods. Again, I don't mean to judge, that might be the best/safest…

No worries, and I understand your concern. Yes, there is a neighborhood arterial (2, actually) as the only routes to the office park. To be fair, they're arterials with 30mph speed limits (no driveways on them), which, frankly, makes the stop signs all the more galling. (they were specifically called out in a traffic study of that neighborhood as the WRONG way to control traffic on that type of road).
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