Pi-Hole 4.3.2 • Hacker News Board

Re: Pi-Hole 4.3.2

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Post by paulcole » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 11:55 AM UTC

danijelb wrote: post #210

paulcole wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re getting something you value (video, article, etc.) in exchange for looking at ads instead of paying money. If you don’t want to look at ads, don’t look at the content. Don’t hide behind server requests and technicalities.

Is it ok to skip ad pages in printed magazines? Or to switch a TV channel during commercials?

Yes, it’s fine to skip ads in magazines or change the channel during commercials.

It’s not OK to get a robot that changes the channel for you or to have your magazines sent to a service who cuts the ads out and forwards them on to you.

Re: Pi-Hole 4.3.2

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Post by tripzilch » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 2:15 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #192

shantly wrote: post #187

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Make plain, no funny-business HTTP GET, server responds 200 and sends some text. Guess they wanted me to have it. I'll decide what I do with it, thanks.

Yeah I love this attitude. You know you're doing something that is unethical but you ignore that because you got 'em on a technicality. Congrats.

Unethical to do what exactly? Only consume part of it? Is it unethical to ignore the coupons you get at a supermarket?

(for people who haven't been to the US: coupons are printed on the back of the receipt)

Re: Pi-Hole 4.3.2

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Post by schwartzworld » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 3:14 PM UTC

tjoff wrote: post #189

boyter wrote: post #15

Just recently I experimented going without my pi-hole or any ad blocker software for 4 weeks to see what would happen. My goodness the internet is a dumpster fire without it. So many pages lagging and slow to load. Things I wanted to click that jumped when an ad loaded resulting in miss clicks. Annoying things following me around. It was especially bad on mobile with the GDRP/Cookie notices and ad's to the point that…

Maybe don't use pi-hole and just stop visiting sites that disrespect their users? You don't really miss out on anything and actually reward proper sites.

Maybe don't use something free and awesome to improve your experience and instead find whatever magical slice of the internet isn't ad driven?

It takes a few minutes to set up pi-hole, and it isn't just for websites either. It happily swallows in-app advertisements. The benefits are extended to anybody on your wifi. What possible reason would you have to not use it?

Re: Pi-Hole 4.3.2

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Post by schwartzworld » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 3:15 PM UTC

vasili111 wrote: post #178

boyter wrote: post #15

Just recently I experimented going without my pi-hole or any ad blocker software for 4 weeks to see what would happen. My goodness the internet is a dumpster fire without it. So many pages lagging and slow to load. Things I wanted to click that jumped when an ad loaded resulting in miss clicks. Annoying things following me around. It was especially bad on mobile with the GDRP/Cookie notices and ad's to the point that…

Is there any special reason to use pi-hole + adblocker? Why just to not use one of them?

Pi-hole blocks ads for any device on your network. I consider it a courtesy for guests.

Re: Pi-Hole 4.3.2

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Post by schwartzworld » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 3:20 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #192

shantly wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make plain, no funny-business HTTP GET, server responds 200 and sends some text. Guess they wanted me to have it. I'll decide what I do with it, thanks.

Yeah I love this attitude. You know you're doing something that is unethical but you ignore that because you got 'em on a technicality. Congrats.

What's unethical about reading the parts of a webpage that you want to read? It's like getting a free newspaper and then covering up the ads inside before you read it.

Re: Pi-Hole 4.3.2

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Post by paulcole » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

schwartzworld wrote: post #215

paulcole wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I love this attitude. You know you're doing something that is unethical but you ignore that because you got 'em on a technicality. Congrats.

What's unethical about reading the parts of a webpage that you want to read? It's like getting a free newspaper and then covering up the ads inside before you read it.

Well not quite. It's more like having someone else remove the ads so you're never exposed to them. Which I would say is a little unethical considering the newspaper is free for a reason.

Re: Pi-Hole 4.3.2

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Post by tjoff » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 5:45 PM UTC

schwartzworld wrote: post #213

tjoff wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe don't use pi-hole and just stop visiting sites that disrespect their users? You don't really miss out on anything and actually reward proper sites.

Maybe don't use something free and awesome to improve your experience and instead find whatever magical slice of the internet isn't ad driven? It takes a few minutes to set up pi-hole, and it isn't just for websites either. It happily swallows in-app advertisements. The benefits are extended to anybody on your wifi. What possible reason would you have to not use it?

The same reason you don't pirate photoshop.

Adobe don't mind. You wouldn't buy it anyway. What suffers is the cheaper/free competition that is completely starved.

Surely you realize that avoiding disrespectful sites and seeking proper sites will send a message?

Two actually, one that that kind of shit isn't acceptable and second, that you appreciate honest people.

If you can't be bothered then maybe we actually deserve the cesspool we've created.

Re: Pi-Hole 4.3.2

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Post by fileoffset » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 10:42 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #211

danijelb wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it ok to skip ad pages in printed magazines? Or to switch a TV channel during commercials?

Yes, it’s fine to skip ads in magazines or change the channel during commercials. It’s not OK to get a robot that changes the channel for you or to have your magazines sent to a service who cuts the ads out and forwards them on to you.

Hey can you also let us know which jokes we can laugh at too?

Re: Pi-Hole 4.3.2

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Post by paulcole » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 4:29 AM UTC

fileoffset wrote: post #218

paulcole wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it’s fine to skip ads in magazines or change the channel during commercials. It’s not OK to get a robot that changes the channel for you or to have your magazines sent to a service who cuts the ads out and forwards them on to you.

Hey can you also let us know which jokes we can laugh at too?

They asked I answered.

Re: Pi-Hole 4.3.2

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Post by kelnos » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 8:36 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #191

kelnos wrote: post #181

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If your server sends bits back to my computer when I request them, it is perfectly within my right to decide which of those bits I do and do not want to see.

This is like the people who say they can say what they want because of free speech. If you're able to justify something because of a technicality and are intentionally ignoring the ethics of the situation and what is clearly right/wrong... well, that's not a good look.

If ad networks would behave ethically, I would agree with you. But they don't, so I don't.

It's not all black and white. If you want to charge me for content, charge me for content. If I think it's worth it, I'll pay. Don't force an unusable, emotionally-manipulative, probably malware-filled experience on me from the get-go because you don't otherwise have a sustainable business model.