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Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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I bought an LG OLED commercial signage display. It's just a 55" panel, 1/4" thick, with a ribbon cable to a power-and-control box with one HDMI port. No internet or wifi connection; the software just lets you use the remote to configure the display. Into it I plugged a Denon HEOS receiver, which is WiFi-connected for the purposes of serving as a Spotify and AirPlay output device, and which drives wired and wireless s…

How do you navigate the purchase of commercial signage display? I tried to do some research a few months ago, and manufacturers' and retailers' sites were all punishingly awful in being clear about specs, geographic (in Canada) availability, which models were discontinued and unavailable, actual pricing, etc.

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Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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Roku enabled TVs very clearly send back frames of what you are watching. I've been watching YouTube casted via chromecast plugged into HDMI (NOT the built in chromecast, I have verified multiple times) and the Roku will give me a full width toast saying to press `*` to watch the full movie or some similar contextual option I was pretty put off the first time this happened. That said, I don't even know if I looked thr…

I worked on that. It sends audio and/or video fingerprints (not frames, for privacy and bandwidth reasons), which are matched against a fingerprint database. Whatever people see on TV is usually 10 to 60 seconds behind the real live stream at the broadcaster (which is where the reference fingerprinting happens). GeoIP data can be used to roughly deduce where the TV is located, in order to better filter out false posi…

Any way to turn it off? Or perhaps block a specific domain via pihole?

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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Won't they just use Ethernet over HDMI?

Oh FFS I just learned this was a thing, I can't even trust my cables anymore.

Be aware that your ethernet cables could also be powering stuff, so that's another cable to watch out for ;)

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It may be sending video or audio frames but it’s also possible without it. The Chromecast can send side channel data to the TV.

Huh...I feel stupid. I should've realized that HDMI can send additional data... or rather should've put 2 and 2 together

I remember reading a comment some time ago which stated that they were concerned about the trustworthiness of HDMI, Thunderbolt, and the like as they can contain hidden features that could compromise the user. Fascinating. We need a firewall on our gateways, and on our peripheral ports.

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My Samsung SmartTV randomly turns on itself. Sometimes, we can't turn it on and I have to remove the batteris from the remote, plug them back then it works. The UI is sooo sluggish. I just wish they make a dump TV with superior image quality and let the other streaming devices handling the "smart" features. I will not buy another Samsung electronic product.

> "I just wish they make a dump TV with superior image quality and let the other streaming devices handling the "smart" features." They do, but from what I understand you'll pay more for such panels. As I understand it they're intended for commercial use.

Really? Can you get a commercial display with the image quality (4k OLED) and feature support (Dolby Vision HDR) of the LG C8?

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Pro tip for other people with 2019 and 2018 Samsung Smart TVs, if you back out of the network config and never set it up during the initial config or after a factory reset the TV will never show any ads and will never have the annoying icons for its own apps in the menus. If you attempt to use these features the TV will kindly remind you that you are not connected to the internet/have no accepted the user agreement.…

Alternatively, don't buy samsung TVs on principal.

i have read repeatedly on this site that it is effectively impossible to buy a new dumb tv unless you get the kind of commercial ones meant for installation on walls in commercial buildings etc

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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I will never buy a "smart TV". For one thing, I don't have much use for any TV. What I have is a large display attached to a media server. It doesn't have Internet access, except when I need to update packages. If there's something that I want to watch on it, I just use a DVD, or get a copy of the file.

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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I worked on that. It sends audio and/or video fingerprints (not frames, for privacy and bandwidth reasons), which are matched against a fingerprint database. Whatever people see on TV is usually 10 to 60 seconds behind the real live stream at the broadcaster (which is where the reference fingerprinting happens). GeoIP data can be used to roughly deduce where the TV is located, in order to better filter out false posi…

Any way to turn it off? Or perhaps block a specific domain via pihole?

Don’t let your TV access the internet at all.

Smart TV interfaces are almost uniformly worse than set top boxes (one or more of: bad UI, slow CPU, weird quirks, few updates) so you should avoid it anyway.

The current Apple TV (which I cite only because of familiarity) has a great UI, every major app, and robust HDMI-CEC support so you might never have to touch your TV’s remote again.

And Apple respects your privacy.

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