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Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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HongKonger here. I have some friends in China posting similar anti-protest posts on WeChat social media. It's like the news they read has a completely different story than what it's being told in legitimate new sources. The problem of fake news does become very apparent, and I hope people in China can eventually gain awareness or at least start to question the validity of their news sources.

I think it's not just about censorship. Many mainland Chinese abroad who have access to unfiltered media still support Beijing.

Chinese people generally value stability and harmony over individual rights. So, why would mainland Chinese people support violent protesters who protest for Hong Kong having more individual rights than the mainland does?

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even here on Hacker News, a week or so ago I saw someone being chided for “breaking the HN guidelines” by calling out a sock puppet. When I looked at the comment history of the account doing the chiding, all of its comments were on China related articles, taking a pro-China view.

There are two site guidelines that apply to this. First, it's not ok to use HN primarily for political, ideological, or national battle. If a commenter is posting as you describe, we ask them to stop. Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20727426 . But by no means does it follow that a commenter behaving that way must be a sockpuppet, astroturfer, shill, spy, foreign agent, etc. That's where the second guide…

> it's not ok to use HN primarily for political, ideological, or national battle

Funny since your priority on HN is to push your far-left social justice agenda, shadowbanning people who say anything that can be remotely construed as not agreeing with your worldview.

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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One of the strangest things I seen so far was not online but on the street in Sydney, Australia. There was an "anti-democracy protest" https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/anti-hong-kong-protest-in-... It looks people who oppose Hong Kongers really exist and truly hold on to their beliefs.

On the street in several cities in Australia so far.

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Good on Twitter and Facebook. On top of blocking thousands of websites (which includes Facebook, Google, Twitter) China's government employs thousands of government employees just to purge even the most mild criticism of the CCP on Weibo [1]. They also employ tens of thousands to export their propaganda overseas, using sock puppet accounts to push their worldview[2]. And their worldview is fiercely anti-democratic. T…

The US mainstream media is bought and paid for by corporations, who don't have the public good in mind, but maximizing profit at the expense of all else including reporting on corruption, oligarchy, and environmental abuse.

The government should not control the media, but neither should advertisers.

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> We are disclosing a significant state-backed information operation focused on the situation in Hong Kong, specifically the protest movement and their calls for political change.

Two points:

1. The post presents no evidence that this is a "state-backed" operation.

2. Censorship seems like a wonderful tool when applied to your opponents. That support dries up pretty quickly when the censor targets you.

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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One of the strangest things I seen so far was not online but on the street in Sydney, Australia. There was an "anti-democracy protest" https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/anti-hong-kong-protest-in-... It looks people who oppose Hong Kongers really exist and truly hold on to their beliefs.

Why not? Even within HK there are thousands pro-police anti-protest supporters.

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/08/17/oppose-violence-save-h...

Our opinions are shaped by what media are fed into our brains. I saw my friends divided into two camps because of the different media articles they read.

How do you make sure you are not biased and only read what you believe? Rad more and find the opposing articles!

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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> We are disclosing a significant state-backed information operation focused on the situation in Hong Kong, specifically the protest movement and their calls for political change. Two points: 1. The post presents no evidence that this is a "state-backed" operation. 2. Censorship seems like a wonderful tool when applied to your opponents. That support dries up pretty quickly when the censor targets you.

Is there another actor than the state in China that can get unfiltered mainland IPs ?

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet is already not free for much of the world. It's depressing to type this but China successfully created a parallel version of the internet that is anything but free. That model got exported and now you see the same approach being taken across the world. The direction we seem to be heading in is one where the world's collective internet systems are effectively Balkanized.

As the article says, "Twitter is blocked in PRC". Probably an own-goal in situations like this, since the army of Chinese-government loyalists can't be fully unleashed upon the world. The people of China generally seem pretty loyal to its government, but I'm unsure how much that is due to constant monitoring and systems like "social credit".

From what I saw, `constant monitoring and systems like "social credit"` won't buy loyalty. Ordinary people do that more out of patriotism, an emotion against those who spread misinformation against their country. It's sort of like someone talking shit about your hometown, and you feel the urge to defend. Not a state-sponsored thing.
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