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Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by dorfsmay »

Junk_Collector wrote: post #125
dorfsmay wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good list! I had not thought of those. In which of those was the 2nd amendment used? Having said that, weren't those slow change of the laws? I was thinking more about forceful events like the opposition to the Vietnam war, the yellow jackets in France, or what's going on in Hongkong right now.

Why would the US population result to armed rebellion when it has a robust and largely functioning method of altering policy?

Are the existing methods to change policies good enough? Are they good enough for the case where the government is forceful and not listening to the people?

How much longer would have the Vietnam war lasted if it weren't for large scale marches?

How many people's life got ruined because of marijuana laws for decades. Could have this been avoided with better ways to address harsh laws?

Are there really no law today that are almost universally hated, but kept on the book because of lobbying by companies or vocal minority groups?

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Post by ferest »

This is just too obvious and they tried to get attention, which isn't really like what China gov would do. The HK gov's announcement and action so far are de-escalating the situation, it just not making any sense to support/allow such thing from happening. The aggressive protesters are only ones i could see benefits from it

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Post by modi15 »

nitins wrote: post #186
modi15 wrote: post #82

Seems to me this is Tiananmen part 2 unfolding before our eyes. And doesnt look like anyone will come to Hongkongs help. Hoping India will step up and do something. Seems unlikely though.

India isn't strong enough to take on China.

It didnt look that way in Doklam.

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Post by orf »

meddlepal wrote: post #57
orf wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the many, many other functioning democracies with incredibly strict gun control?

It is all well and good until they stop functioning. Guns empower people to not sit down and just take it when governments consistentenly abuse their power over a long enough period of time.

Saying “it’s all fine and dandy until the democracy falls down” is a pretty circular argument to the fact that America stands uniquely in the democratic free world in its liberal control of guns, amoung peers who have lasted several times longer than America's total existance.

In fact it’s a completely nonsense response, and one might point out that America is also fairly unique in its seemingly ill-functioning and over reaching government. Nobody reached for their guns after any of the post-9/11 constitution slashing, nor over any of the hundreds of documented abuses of power, corruption or citizens-United bribery that happen all of the time.

But sure, if cradling your firearms at night imagining a time when you gloriously rise up in unison against some big-brother style figurehead (while your other freedoms are eroded bit by bit) is an effective coping mechanism I guess that’s a good thing for the controlling oligarchy.

I can see why the promote it so heavily.

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Post by kjeetgill »

cevn wrote: post #133
wavefunction wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One wonders if the British were even half decent when you consider their long history of colonial and imperial oppression. One might conclude they were fully indecent, in fact.

Half decent? Has the GP heard of the Jallianwala Bagh massacre, or how Churchill starved 3m in Bengal?

I don't think the point was about half decent vs. a quarter decent.

As evil/bad as the situation was; non-violence only helps if someone loses more than they gain by just killing you. In this case it was by losing the moral high-ground that was valued by some British people at least. Sure it probably wasn't decent people among the perpetrators, but the pearl clutchers back home.

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Post by ksec »

shuzheng407 wrote: post #83

you need to know the whole chain of events to understand what happened at Yuen Long last night. also you need to know the unique identity of Yuen Long in order to comprehend the situation. Yuen Long is a village of people from several big family names, they are all relatives in a way. have their own system and rules and really hate outsiders telling them what to do. in history, they fought with British, fought with J…

>Local warned, they dont want protesters in their area, if they come back ,YL locals will teach them a lesson about not to invade into others' community. but protesters took it as a challenge to their righteousness and claim they will 'liberal' Yuen Long.

That is not what happened. They took it as a challenge after they were beaten up. No one did anything to Yuen Long, and they decide to beat any everyone, from Child to Pregnant Woman on the Western MTR Train.

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Post by dang »

dirtyid wrote: post #167
riffraff wrote: post #5

I am very curious, but worried, of the situation in HK. Concretely, it seems HKers can protest as much as they want, but when push comes to shove, the PRC will just end up crushing them and the parts of democracy they still have. I can't imagine how they may get any other outcome. Even if I wish they could just gain independence, it seems unlikely, and it's not like any foreign power would go to war to protect HK.

A Chinese general recently did a demographic analysis of HK and attributed to the generational lashing out to a "failure" of education - a cohort of protesters educated on old UK textbooks, raised by anti CPC parents (HK is full of people who left China due to persecution or distaste for conditions on the Mainland). The western textbooks he finds a particularly grievous mistake, something to the lines of: we focused…

It looks like you've been using HN primarily for nationalistic battle. That's not ok, and we ban accounts that do that, regardless of which nation they're for or against.

Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended? We'd be grateful.

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Post by MadSudaca »

keanzu wrote: post #42

Excellent analysis here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20492145 The Chinese and HK governments have realized they've lost the culture wars and public opinion so they've resorted to the tried and tested handbook of authoritarian governments, to create a cycle of violence to create justification for cracking down. This is a provocation. Protesters will now counter arm themselves with similar bats and stick…

I don't think the communists ruling China need any justification for immoral behavior. Lack of justification hasn't stopped them in the past.

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Post by wtdata »

underthebus wrote: post #38
spiderdev wrote: post #16

A co-worker of mine just returned from visiting mainland China. She said everyone she spoke to, did not know about the protests in Hong Kong. They had no idea that something was happening there.

This is not necessarily a bad thing for the protesters in HK. Considering the humiliation that the colonisation of HK had been for 100+ years and the resulting nationalistic tendency of the people, if CCTV (Chinese state TV) had shown the pictures of armed protesters storming the HK parliament and some of them flying the Union Jack then the Chinese government would have been forced to fall on the protesters like a to…

Humiliation?

People in HK today, are actually looking at those as the days they had personal freedoms, due process and representation, something that doesn't happen under the rule of mainland China.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1139799/hong-kong-prote...

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