Walmart Pleads Guilty After a Decade of Bribes • Hacker News Board

Re: Walmart Pleads Guilty After a Decade of Bribes

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Post by js2 » Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 11:13 PM UTC

icelancer wrote: post #171

js2 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In a company with a million employees, it’s guaranteed So then the CEO had to know this behavior was occurring. Did the CEO and management attempt to do anything about it or did they just maintain plausible deniability, knowing that not having a guilty mind was sufficient to prevent management from being liable? If the NYT, an external organization, was able to uncover this behavior, why couldn't Walmart have had i…

>> So then the CEO had to know this behavior was occurring. Why does this naturally follow?

rayiner said it was guaranteed, not me. I was just following up on his claim.

Re: Walmart Pleads Guilty After a Decade of Bribes

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Post by dahfizz » Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 11:31 PM UTC

jakelazaroff wrote: post #157

dahfizz wrote: post #106

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> No employee is breaking the law... That's absolutely absurd. Would a teenaged cashier be absolved of all guilt for murdering a troublesome customer? But the CEO should be held accountable? If I literally cannot break a law as long as I'm working for a company, then why don't bank robbers get a job at Walmart first and claim robbing banks was for the benefit of Walmart? How could you ever convict anyone if the excus…

GP isn't saying that employees can't break the law. They're saying that if an employee breaks the law for the benefit of the company, it's probably because they know the company will reward them for it somehow. > People are always responsible for their own actions. Leaders also bear some responsibility for the actions of those within their purview. Why do CEOs get paid so much? Because they get credit (and blame) for…

You've not read the comment I responded to.

> No employee is breaking laws in an effort to further the objectives of a company

That's am absolute statement that employees are not to be held accountable.

> Responsibility isn't zero sum.

I totally agree. Doing a bad thing is bad. Ordering someone to do something bad is bad. Absolving someone who did something bad to fulfill your own twisted worldview is also bad.

Re: Walmart Pleads Guilty After a Decade of Bribes

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Re: Walmart Pleads Guilty After a Decade of Bribes

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Post by jakelazaroff » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 3:34 PM UTC

dahfizz wrote: post #212

jakelazaroff wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP isn't saying that employees can't break the law. They're saying that if an employee breaks the law for the benefit of the company, it's probably because they know the company will reward them for it somehow. > People are always responsible for their own actions. Leaders also bear some responsibility for the actions of those within their purview. Why do CEOs get paid so much? Because they get credit (and blame) for…

You've not read the comment I responded to. > No employee is breaking laws in an effort to further the objectives of a company That's am absolute statement that employees are not to be held accountable. > Responsibility isn't zero sum. I totally agree. Doing a bad thing is bad. Ordering someone to do something bad is bad. Absolving someone who did something bad to fulfill your own twisted worldview is also bad.

Yes I have. The full sentence, emphasis added:

> No employee is breaking laws in an effort to further the objectives of a company in a vacuum.

In other words: "in a vacuum" (i.e. without any influence or incentives from the company), employees will not break the law for the benefit of the company (as opposed to their own benefit). It's describing their behavior, not absolving them of guilt.