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Re: The V Programming Language

#211

Post by dang »

AndyKelley wrote: post #210
amedvednikov wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You called me a scam artist because in your opinion the compiler depends on glfw and freetype :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20230351 And then you proceeded spamming this on Twitter, GitHub, Hacker News, and Reddit. Maybe even more platforms I didn't notice. https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/292#issuecomment-504281727

Thank you for correcting that and the other 4 false claims I noted in that HN comment. I'm glad you are no longer deceiving people about what V can do. By the way, shelling out to curl and mkdir also counts as dependencies.

> that and the other 4 false claims I noted

> I'm glad you are no longer deceiving people

This is a passive-aggressive way of continuing the same flamewar. Please stop.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by fogottenuser02 »

This was supposed to be originally posted on Dang's post. Evidently, criticizing the mob-boss isn't allowed now.

AndyKelley never ever forget why Ycombinator runs a "news" site.

YCombinator is a propaganda and VC funnel for upcoming projects that might make them money. The convenient excuses of tone policing is to not scare away upcoming companies and orgs that might be reprehensible to the public, but fit into the idea of (0) Moloch.

The SEC only requires significant transparency to Public corporations, which YC doesn't primarily work with. So, they can be as opaque and 'fake news'-ish as they wish. And they do, via "Hacker News". HN/dang has removed and/or modified and/of split off threads to lessen the impact of projects that affect them. And my guess is that V is one of those projects that caught their eye.

Instead, you'll see dang and similar giving edicts from above dismissing and ignoring legitimate complaints. Why? It all boils down to money. And YC wants more. Is that really surprising?

Now, why aren't I posting under my usual username? Because bans, hellbans, and other 'bad user' flags are a thing. And YC would never approach such transparency. They won't even try for the GDPR, and that's saying something.

(0) https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

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(My response, since you flagged it:

If we listened to anything you've taught us, you don't do something you're good at for free.

So, why do you run a news site? It's certainly not out of the goodness of your heart. My not-so-dark-idea is it benefits Ycombinator in a significant way. )

Re: The V Programming Language

#213

Post by sfilargi »

endymi0n wrote: post #165

Despite the immense neophobia of Hacker News, I'll jump forward and say I think there's a lot to love around vlang. Go is an amazing language and my go-to language for most backend tasks these days, but often when jumping back from Python, it feels needlessly cumbersome. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about any "magic", Go is exactly as great as it is, because it's so simple and barebones. I'm talking about…

There is no neophobia. This is someone overselling his side toy-project and people calling him out.

Re: The V Programming Language

#214

Post by dang »

fogottenuser02 wrote: post #212

This was supposed to be originally posted on Dang's post. Evidently, criticizing the mob-boss isn't allowed now. AndyKelley never ever forget why Ycombinator runs a "news" site. YCombinator is a propaganda and VC funnel for upcoming projects that might make them money. The convenient excuses of tone policing is to not scare away upcoming companies and orgs that might be reprehensible to the public, but fit into the i…

I'd happily respond, but this comment is like a greased pig: there's nothing to latch onto. Well, there's one thing: nothing about that project affects YC or HN or us, and we haven't conspired to "lessen the impact". The sinister specifics people come up with!

What catches my eye is flamewars on Hacker News, because part of being a janitor is mopping those up. Our deep dark purpose? To have an internet forum that doesn't suck. Unless you have plumbed my unconscious and know my thoughts better than I do, that's all we're trying to achieve. That alone is plenty valuable, so it's all we need to optimize for.

p.s. Nobody flagged your reply. It got caught in a software filter, and moderators unkilled it, as we often do.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by fogottenuser02 »

dang wrote: post #214
fogottenuser02 wrote: post #212

This was supposed to be originally posted on Dang's post. Evidently, criticizing the mob-boss isn't allowed now. AndyKelley never ever forget why Ycombinator runs a "news" site. YCombinator is a propaganda and VC funnel for upcoming projects that might make them money. The convenient excuses of tone policing is to not scare away upcoming companies and orgs that might be reprehensible to the public, but fit into the i…

I'd happily respond, but this comment is like a greased pig: there's nothing to latch onto. Well, there's one thing: nothing about that project affects YC or HN or us, and we haven't conspired to "lessen the impact". The sinister specifics people come up with! What catches my eye is flamewars on Hacker News, because part of being a janitor is mopping those up. Our deep dark purpose? To have an internet forum that doe…

If we listened to anything you've taught us, you don't do something you're good at for free.

So, why do you run a news site? It's certainly not out of the goodness of your heart. My not-so-dark-idea is it benefits Ycombinator in a significant way.

Re: The V Programming Language

#216

Post by jazzyjackson »

fogottenuser02 wrote: post #212

This was supposed to be originally posted on Dang's post. Evidently, criticizing the mob-boss isn't allowed now. AndyKelley never ever forget why Ycombinator runs a "news" site. YCombinator is a propaganda and VC funnel for upcoming projects that might make them money. The convenient excuses of tone policing is to not scare away upcoming companies and orgs that might be reprehensible to the public, but fit into the i…

Wow that's pretty paranoid

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by dom96 »

estebank wrote: post #162

In case the author ever reads this: assuming good faith, the effort and intent is laudable, but you've put the cart in front of the horse by having multiple amazing claims that would take many, many man/years to accomplish by experienced developers, which is why they've been received with a lot of skepticism. Even assuming a great level of skill, the claims a priori are hard to take serious, even before taking into c…

> Now that (part of?) the code has been released, it seems to be little more than a transpiler from V to C, with allowed inlined C, with most advertised features stubbed out.

This is a little off-topic but I feel it needs to be discussed. The term "transpiler" that you've used here is a little belittling, not only to V but to other languages which are translated to C. I don't think its fair nor accurate to characterize compilers which translate code to C as "transpilers". It's valid when languages of the same level of abstraction are translated to each other, but not when one language (C) is low-level and the other is high-level.

All this being said though, V does seem to lean very heavily on inlined C inside its standard library and compiler. So that assessment is totally fair.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by NikkiA »

dom96 wrote: post #217
estebank wrote: post #162

In case the author ever reads this: assuming good faith, the effort and intent is laudable, but you've put the cart in front of the horse by having multiple amazing claims that would take many, many man/years to accomplish by experienced developers, which is why they've been received with a lot of skepticism. Even assuming a great level of skill, the claims a priori are hard to take serious, even before taking into c…

> Now that (part of?) the code has been released, it seems to be little more than a transpiler from V to C, with allowed inlined C, with most advertised features stubbed out. This is a little off-topic but I feel it needs to be discussed. The term "transpiler" that you've used here is a little belittling, not only to V but to other languages which are translated to C. I don't think its fair nor accurate to characteri…

Given that the claim was that V was a native code generator with the option for transpiling to C, I think that pointing out that it's only a transpiler is fair

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by fogottenuser02 »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #216
fogottenuser02 wrote: post #212

This was supposed to be originally posted on Dang's post. Evidently, criticizing the mob-boss isn't allowed now. AndyKelley never ever forget why Ycombinator runs a "news" site. YCombinator is a propaganda and VC funnel for upcoming projects that might make them money. The convenient excuses of tone policing is to not scare away upcoming companies and orgs that might be reprehensible to the public, but fit into the i…

Wow that's pretty paranoid

I've been here long enough, and seen how things operate here.

Sure, it's paranoid. It doesn't make it false.

Re: The V Programming Language

#220

Post by [deleted] »

AndyKelley wrote: post #210
amedvednikov wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You called me a scam artist because in your opinion the compiler depends on glfw and freetype :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20230351 And then you proceeded spamming this on Twitter, GitHub, Hacker News, and Reddit. Maybe even more platforms I didn't notice. https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/292#issuecomment-504281727

Thank you for correcting that and the other 4 false claims I noted in that HN comment. I'm glad you are no longer deceiving people about what V can do. By the way, shelling out to curl and mkdir also counts as dependencies.

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