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Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by hunter2_ »

guiambros wrote: post #58
hunter2_ wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My favorite BTT mapping: 3 finger click (touchpad and/or magic mouse) generates a middle click event. I have no idea how people open and close browser tabs without this, since browsers have great middle click response but Apple pointing devices don't natively generate such clicks.

I also love BTT, but opening/closing tabs is much faster using ⌘-T and ⌘-W.

I meant opening a link, not a blank tab. And closing any tab, not necessarily the focused tab.

I should have specified, but I assumed I implied it as this is what the existing browser middle click support achieves.

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by techslave »

can’t understand the love for this here. the touch bar is not a HUD (heads up display). you still have to context switch and you can’t touch type the app you want. it might be better than the default touch bar it’s not better and adds no value over the auto hiding dock.

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by nomel »

snek wrote: post #14
dustinfarris wrote: post #2

This is what Touch Bar should have been from the beginning IMO. I've been on the fence to upgrade my 2012 MBP. I've been concerned about buying into the Touch Bar hardware when it seems like it is not coming to any other Macs. Why should I devote time to learning Touch Bar and trying to find ways to integrate it with my workflow when keyboard shortcuts are more than enough—and probably better? What happens when I sit…

You could also just set your dock to autohide. That's what I do on my MBA 2015 and it's great, especially considering how small 1440x900 already is.

If you’re hiding the dock, reducing the delay is very useful:

    defaults write com.apple.Dock autohide-delay -float 0 && killall Dock

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by wildrhythms »

hellofunk wrote: post #173
bluedino wrote: post #169

This is neat. However, I use the dock for dragging/dropping so it doesn't help me. I detest the TouchBar and think it's one of the worst ideas to come out of Apple in a long time. I'm waiting for them to end this joke.

It's also quite an expensive joke that consumers pay for. Hundreds of dollars equivalent extra in price for this "feature."

The non-touchbar version has 2 fewer USB-C ports inexplicably. So they're paying for the touchbar and 2 extra ports, all in all.

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by wildrhythms »

stephenr wrote: post #49
Justsignedup wrote: post #31

The touch bar doesn't give you the ability to touch it without click like a key. It also replaces all the f keys and the escape key. It is by far the worst thing made when working say on the bus. There is no world in which the touch bar is good in any way. There are zero benefits to it. On two years with this monstrosity I have regretted having it. And now I am seriously considering moving to windows with the new Lin…

> There is no world in which the touch bar is good in any way. There are zero benefits to it. Ok, I guess those of us who either aren't affected by it, or actually find it useful are just wrong?

I'm a touch typist, like probably many users. What does the touchbar bring to the table for me? I was taught that looking at the keyboard was a failure to type properly. I value tactile feedback when I press a key (especially Esc).

What value does the touchbar offer me?

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by hvidgaard »

iainmerrick wrote: post #199
wlesieutre wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the argument is that you spend energy to start your fingers moving and then you spend more energy to make them stop. But at least the way I type, what I think I'm doing is expending as much energy as needed to make the key bottom out, and no more energy than that. I can buy the extra energy cost for walking because gravity is putting some force on there and you'd expend energy to counterbalance it versus just…

I think what I’m saying is, to try to use your terms: small precise movements can be more tiring than bigger looser movements, because they require strong muscular control. And, I’d argue, keyboards with deeper travel require less precise movements. You can rest your fingers on the keys so you know where you are, and it takes a comfortable longish movement to press a key rather than a tiny precise movement.

If we ignore the Apple keyboard for a moment, with DIY mechanical keyboards, you can customize travel length, travel resistance, and click. Getting the force and travel length correct, for me at least, mean I spend significantly less energy typing. My fingers and lower arms are tired if I'm using a regular keyboard for an hour.

Perhaps the optimum is not either extreme. Not an Apple like keyboard with almost zero travel, and not a keyboard from the 5$ bin, but something in between. And it's not the same for everyone.

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by iainmerrick »

hvidgaard wrote: post #216
iainmerrick wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what I’m saying is, to try to use your terms: small precise movements can be more tiring than bigger looser movements, because they require strong muscular control. And, I’d argue, keyboards with deeper travel require less precise movements. You can rest your fingers on the keys so you know where you are, and it takes a comfortable longish movement to press a key rather than a tiny precise movement.

If we ignore the Apple keyboard for a moment, with DIY mechanical keyboards, you can customize travel length, travel resistance, and click. Getting the force and travel length correct, for me at least, mean I spend significantly less energy typing. My fingers and lower arms are tired if I'm using a regular keyboard for an hour. Perhaps the optimum is not either extreme. Not an Apple like keyboard with almost zero tra…

Yes, that sounds right.

Personally, I quickly got used to Apple’s first “chiclet” laptop keyboards, which had pretty low travel, and actually enjoyed them. But I really have a very hard time with the latest generation.

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by lloeki »

Crontab wrote: post #210
a_c_s wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That spacer still activates the 'ESC' key

That's correct. I am currently considering upgrading from my 13" 2013 Macbook Air to a 15" 2019 Macbook Pro (I want it for the IPS/bigger display) and I noticed this while I was testing it at Bestbuy. Personally, if I make the purchase, I will probably just remap the Caps Lock key to ESC - assuming I can remove ESC from the Touch Bar. The one thing I didn't care for is that the Touch Bar display can time out. I would…

Did a quick test, seems like it times out after 2min of system idle time, unrelated to display timeout (caffeinate -d doesn't prevent it) or actual idle system state (caffeinated -I doesn't either), and even on AC power (to prevent OLED burn in?)

The timeout implementation could definitely be improved. In 6 months I've hat that computer I've never had it be a problem or even found it annoying in any way though.

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by jon889 »

canadaduane wrote: post #164
monkeynotes wrote: post #150

IMO cmd+tab is far superior since it requires less movement from the rest position. I can navigate contexts extremely efficiently. I also use cmd+~ a lot for in-app window switching. I do like the idea of having the touch-bar as a notification center though, that would be pretty helpful. I have my Macbook on a stand with an external keyboard. Besides being ergonomically better like that, I also missed the physical es…

I find that cmd+tab switching beyond 2 or 3 applications is not "superior" as it requires more recall of state than should be necessary. I've started using Alfred more often to switch to specific apps so that it doesn't matter where I'm coming "from" to get where I want to go "to." I also use Karibiner to switch the capslock key to "escape when pressed once" and "ctrl" when used in combination with any other key. Com…

You can also use the mouse in the cod+tab switcher (if you didn’t know already)

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by mhink »

foo101 wrote: post #114
mdonahoe wrote: post #65

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inoremap jj

> inoremap jj That takes care of returning from insert mode to normal mode. What do you do for returning from other modes (operator pending mode, visual mode, etc.) to normal mode? I don't think it is possible to reliably reproduce all of the in all the modes with remaps.

I think operator-pending is much less of a big deal when you can just finish the command and then hit "u" to undo it.

As for visual mode... I just noticed something odd: in Neovim, doesn't drop me back into Normal mode from Visual or Block-visual; I have to hit "v" again. The behavior doesn't happen in Vim itself (that is, works as expected.) I wonder why that is.

Either way, I'd hazard to say that exiting Insert mode is by far the most common use case for ... to the point where I really wouldn't even call it "escaping" in the sense of "bailing out of a mode early".

For everything else, I'd just remap Escape to Caps Lock at the system level and call it a day. But that's just me, and even though I think the Touch Bar is nifty, I definitely get where some folks' annoyance is coming from.

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