AMP is anti-competitive behavior
Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand your point, but I guess I just wish it wasn't an "either or" world, so we both could enjoy the web how we would respectively like. Why won't Google let us have both? Right now, I don't believe there is a way to disable AMP ( unless you use like a Firefox mobile extension for that specific use case ). That's what bothers me the most, personally. Google shoving it down our throats, and force feeding us AMP…
You can disable AMP by not using Google. DuckDuckGo doesn't have these problems.
You can disable it for now, but there are already some companies building their entire websites in AMP like independent.co.uk.
A better solution than AMP would be to only consider raw page speed, and then use a neutral schema markup for whatever extra features Google wants to display in Google Search.
Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working
#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
Counterpoint: WE don't live in an ideal world and AMP is my only option of getting de-bloated webpages. I would love if managers and directors would do this themselves and AMP wouldn't be needed, but that's just not the case. I have to choose between downloading some text and images to read an article or load 5MB JavaScript SinglePageApp with tracking, ads, auto playing video's... I know in an ideal world AMP would b…
> AMP is my only option of getting de-bloated webpages How about de-bloating your webpages instead? Seriously, people, come on — just put less cruft in your web pages. Don't load 500 trackers. Say no when the marketing guys come over and tell you to add 10 more. Tell your bosses that marketing is incompetent. Push back and tell people that adding cruft is bad. Please don't bother telling me how it "can't be done". It…
> Seriously, people, come on — just put less cruft in your web pages. Don't load 500 trackers. Say no when the marketing guys come over and tell you to add 10 more. Tell your bosses that marketing is incompetent. Push back and tell people that adding cruft is bad.
It's politically untenable. Marketing brings in the $$$ and you don't.
So when you can point to the carousel and say "You can either have that or the trackers" you actually have some leverage to push back on marketing.
Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working
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Browsers, mobile operating systems, ad networks, comparison sites, video hosting sites, image search, map services, etc., etc., etc. All of Google myriad of properties benefit from being able to limit competitors web page size, limit their technology use, restrict advertising and gating them behind your own servers. Plus on top, Google doesn't have to do any of that shit themselves and can gleefully put themselves at…
>Google doesn't have to do any of that shit themselves and can gleefully put themselves at the top of every search (and are doing with an ever expanding array of search terms). Why shouldn't a company be able to decide what they feature on their search results and how they rank things? If every result was a Google owned site, so what? Nothing is stopping you from using a different search engine.
> Nothing is stopping you from using a different search engine.
AMP links are everywhere now, not just Google search results.
Thank goodness for the bot on Reddit that posts replies with the actual link, for any AMP links that are posted.
Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working
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My point was that "broken" feels like the wrong term. I think the site owner should be blamed if content the user needs is not either on the AMP page or accessible with an easily found link.
> I think the site owner should be blamed if content the user needs is not either on the AMP page or accessible with an easily found link. Hmm. If AMP participation were voluntary, I would agree, but given how necessary it is to SEO ranking, Google deserves a large portion of any blame for broken content - They do not get a free pass to enforce usage of a protocol, but dodge the consequences of its implementation (wh…
Fair point :) For my own stuff, I don't really care too much about SEO so I'm not sure what the full implications are.
Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working
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How is using an external service to debloat pages okay but AMP isn't? Feels ass-backwards to me.
Maybe because that's not the only thing it does? It is what Google likes to pretend that AMP is all about, but you're also handing over the control of your traffic directly to Google, and being awarded with the SEO boost. That's significantly different than debloating your website and remaining in control of the traffic, but you don't receive the SEO boost as a consequence. Even if you make your website faster than i…
But giving the control of the traffic to some third party website is okay? Not really. Especially not really with signed exchanges.
Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working
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They could, but then we'd see a lot of cheaters even there, AMP is very locked down. I don't like the market position abuse either, but the other parties are far from guilt free.
Of course SEO will never end. But if the question is how to improve the open web, then turning the open web into a Google property is not an answer.
Signed exchanges are a thing, I don't see how Google intervenes there more than just providing the AMP standard.
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#218Just came to say I hate amp. If I want to go to a site I want that site not a google cache of it. It’s not a better experience. It just means another click to get to where I was going. Stop the madness Google kill amp.
AMP should be the first stop on the federal government's antitrust investigation. The sheer unfairness of being granted search priority if you hand over your content to Google is the pinnacle of leveraging monopoly power to gain power in another industry.
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Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
>How about de-bloating your webpages instead? [...] — just put less cruft in your web pages. Don't load 500 trackers. [...] Tell your bosses that marketing is incompetent. For context so people don't get the wrong idea... I just want to point out that the gp you responded to ( apexalpha ) wrote "my option" and _he_ (as a web surfer) is not the manager in charge of those other programmers adding in the cruft. In his n…
Sure you can. Put in a blocklist and turn off JS. Some pages break but many run much faster, and without the risk of malware or tracking. A strangely simple solution that people don't try. NB. the remaining animated gifs can be stopped on palemoon and I think FX with shift+escape. You occasionally gets CSS animations but they are pretty rare.
>Put in a blocklist and turn off JS. [...] A strangely simple solution that people don't try.
I'm not an iPhone expert but those don't seem simple.
In iOS, you can enter urls one at a time in the blocklist which is cumbersome. Obviously, this doesn't work for thousands of ad network urls. What people do on desktops is import a big hosts file but my cursory research says you can't do that on a non-jailbroken iPhone.[1]
If you mean "block" via DNS such as pointing to Adguard DNS servers, you can only manually change the DNS server ip address on wifi connections and not the cellular connection. For DNS blocks on cellular, you have to install vpn software.[2]
Disabling Javascript breaks sites like "cnn.com" (Yes, people should go to other sites instead of CNN but I don't mean for people to fixate on that one example. It's just one example of breakage of a widely known site instead of an obscure one.) Also on reddit.com, the collapse button "[-]" and the upvote/downvote buttons no longer work.
(But I'm not saying any iPhone setup difficulties means you should use AMP.)
[1] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2028544/does-hosts-file-...
[2] https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/303168/ios-11-how-...
Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can disable AMP by not using Google. DuckDuckGo doesn't have these problems.
You can disable it for now, but there are already some companies building their entire websites in AMP like independent.co.uk. A better solution than AMP would be to only consider raw page speed, and then use a neutral schema markup for whatever extra features Google wants to display in Google Search.
What's wrong with AMP websites? AMP is a fast subset of HTML. That's different from using Google's AMP cache.