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Post by ngcc_hk »

freeflight wrote: post #188
ethbro wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, the US spies on the world... and shares info about their citizens with a number of other governments. On the other hand, the US isn't currently occupying, detaining, and requiring patriotic reeducation for an ethnic minority within its borders. I feel like an "It's already happening, and this is what you get" appraisal cuts less favorably towards China than the US.

> On the other hand, the US isn't currently occupying, detaining, and requiring patriotic reeducation for an ethnic minority within its borders. Let's just ignore that the US is still running torture black-sites to this day and droning people all over the planet often based on nothing more than metadata and questionable ML algorithms [0] because that's what "the US spying on the world" is mostly about: State-sponsore…

Got millions by whom? USA got millions in re-education camp?

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Post by ngcc_hk »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #191
ethbro wrote: post #163

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That's the gist of China's admission to the WTO: they would have in no way qualified in terms of transparency or free trade, but promises were made that things would change. They didn't. If Chinese products are so yellow-star-spangled awesome, then why not let their citizens choose freely between Chinese and foreign products? Free trade is a two way street.

In the case of smartphones, they do have a choice, and a lot of people still choose iPhones and some even Samsung. Hardware isn’t really an area locked down like internet services are.

But the “stacks” in the play store. There is no google play.

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Post by gpm »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #208
gpm wrote: post #199

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My comment wasn't about hating or not hating China. It was about western companies having rational economic concern over depending on companies and resources under China's control. The belt and road project in particular was not supposed to raise any negative emotions about China at all, it was meant to demonstrate that China does have an interest in expanding it's economic power, as indicated in my original comment.…

The vast majority of Chinese are wholly in support of their government and of their country being great the same way as the vast majority of Americans are wholly in support of ours. And they're apologists the same way we are. As far as China/Chinese, we're the exception in terms of not being an ethnostate. France, Ireland, Israel.. the west is full of them. It's mostly just the places that the west carved up that are…

When you're placing words in my mouth, like you did before, I'd appreciate if you kept the distinction intact regardless of how you feel.

As for supporting them, in the abstract sense of "their ours" and in which I support the leafs (terrible hockey team that people from Toronto feel obliged to support), probably so. That doesn't mean that the people (especially in China) are responsible for the governments actions, that they would do the same thing given a choice, that I feel the same towards the two entities, etc.

If you're not in favor of anthropomorhpizing nation states translate "China's actions" to "The current Chinese government's actions" and not "The general population of China's actions"

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Post by csyszf »

ngcc_hk wrote: post #212
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the case of smartphones, they do have a choice, and a lot of people still choose iPhones and some even Samsung. Hardware isn’t really an area locked down like internet services are.

But the “stacks” in the play store. There is no google play.

There's no google play because China banned Google. China banned Google because Google refused to remove censor politic contents. That contents mostly from An anti-CCP cult called FaLunGong and some other dissidents which all supported by the US.

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Post by ethbro »

freeflight wrote: post #198
ethbro wrote: post #195

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That's not context, those are "estimate numbers" about COVERT operations you didn't even source. The drone numbers are even less useful because two different US administrations [0] [1] went through the effort of redefining "enemy combatant" to pretty up the "collateral damage" by drones. That's why Pakistan alone actually tallies up to over 3.400 drone victims [2]. You then compare that with 1989 Tiananmen Square and…

Do you have a better citation than [2]? That's not exactly a confidence-inspiring source.

And if you want to include Iraq, then we should include Korea.

My point being, the last time the US murdered that many of its own citizens was April 6, 1865.

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Post by SomeOldThrow »

DevX101 wrote: post #56

The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design. They won't get any market share in the U.S. but they'll dominate China (obv), India, Africa, and have some decent minority share in Europe. The ban is great for U.S. companies in the short term that are behind on 5G, but this will harm U.S.…

That would be pretty great for humanity, though.

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Post by dang »

d3v0 wrote: post #139
DevX101 wrote: post #56

The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design. They won't get any market share in the U.S. but they'll dominate China (obv), India, Africa, and have some decent minority share in Europe. The ban is great for U.S. companies in the short term that are behind on 5G, but this will harm U.S.…

The US government doesn't care about privacy, they care about other nations spying on their citizens. It is evident from all the leaks of NSA/CIA that they spy more on their citizens than other nations'.

Please don't take HN threads into political flamewar. This wretched subthread is an example of what we're trying to avoid here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by freeflight »

ethbro wrote: post #215
freeflight wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not context, those are "estimate numbers" about COVERT operations you didn't even source. The drone numbers are even less useful because two different US administrations [0] [1] went through the effort of redefining "enemy combatant" to pretty up the "collateral damage" by drones. That's why Pakistan alone actually tallies up to over 3.400 drone victims [2]. You then compare that with 1989 Tiananmen Square and…

Do you have a better citation than [2]? That's not exactly a confidence-inspiring source. And if you want to include Iraq, then we should include Korea. My point being, the last time the US murdered that many of its own citizens was April 6, 1865.

Why is that source not confidence-inspiring? And don't you think it's quite telling, in-itself, that no transparent and reliable numbers exist on this?

> My point being, the last time the US murdered that many of its own citizens was April 6, 1865.

I don't see how that's a point for anything, crimes against humanity are not defined by the citizenship of the victims.

It's also an extremely dishonest take: If my own government is oppressing me, I at least can have the hope of starting a "revolution" and overthrow said government to improve the situation.

When it's a foreign government doing it, and not even my countries own military was able to stop them, what are my options to change anything? Not many, maybe start an insurgency, but anything that would "take the fight" to the actual enemy, an external enemy, would be considered "international terrorism".

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Post by inflatableDodo »

buckminster wrote: post #140
inflatableDodo wrote: post #127

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As British subjects, we are of course only allowed to divine such knowledge by the correct interpretation of which particular flowers have been chosen to adorn Lizzie's hat and the precise selection of jewelery she is wearing.

Since the early 80s we've been citizens, not subjects. You can thank Thatcher for that.

Most of us have. Confusingly, there are 6 different types of British nationality, and there are still some British subjects around.

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality

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Post by dTal »

vkou wrote: post #152
dTal wrote: post #111

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> Name me one major US company that does not have close links to the US government. Apple?

Has had a revolving door arrangement with the White House. Was fingered in PRISM. Was involved in the US Digital Services and 18F. Closely worked with the government to lower its repatriation tax burdens. And if these specifics don't satisfy you, we all know that the Department of Defense was heavily involved with Silicon Valley since day 1. I'll wiggle my eyebrows vaguely, but suggestively at this fact, and let the…

I was unable to find references for any of your claims. What kind of "revolving door arrangement"? I looked at all of Apple's top management, and none of them are ex government with the arguable exception of their general counsel who was formerly a judge. As far as I'm aware there's no hard evidence of willing participation in PRISM. Apple denies it - the only link of any kind is a yellow bubble on that famous powerpoint slide, which could just mean they were hacked. And "worked with the government" on one or two things isn't the same as "close links".

I also find your eyebrow-wiggling an egregious rhetorical sin, employed only by those who have nothing more concrete to offer. Do you have anything at all to justify your vague insinuation that all of Silicon Valley is a giant government conspiracy?

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