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EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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Be encouraged by other countries such as Pakistan and India in which English is already 'co-official':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_entities_w...

Please also combine anglic with a conservative spelling reform: color, beautyfull, burocracys, enouf, allready...

Basically look at the most common spelling mistakes and chose those variants which are more logical than the current spelling.

The language should be called Anglic/Anglish, after the

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles

It's already more of an ethnonym than a loconym. And ethnonym more in the sense of shared language and culture than common genes.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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I'm sorry, but this opinion piece sounds pretty dumb. It almost reads like a troll post. The fact that so many in this comment thread seems to be concurring with its suggestion is troubling enough. If you really want to alienate the EU from the average EU citizen, make English its official language. And adopt a version only a tiny minority really speaks too, just to salt the wound! I'm not sure whether to be scared o…

> Everyone on Hacker News speak English, but it's not a majority in the EU who speaks or understands English comfortably.

But a majority is comfortable with German or French?

Also, I can promise you that at least for Sweden, a vast majority of population would prefer English being the official language of the EU to something like French. We may not always be completely comfortable speaking English, but it's a language just about anyone will understand with a little effort.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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I don't think English will stop being EU's lingua franca any time soon. Agreeing on a replacement would be politically impossible (the Germans wouldn't accept French, the French wouldn't accept German, the Spanish would have good arguments to make in any of both cases); and having several languages in equal status would just be not practical (you cannot realistically expect every EU citizen to know their native langu…

and having several languages in equal status would just be not practical - Sorry but I have to disagree here. Look at UN, they have Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish as official languages. Why is there an absolute must to only have one official language? Why not chose several most widely spoken ones, including English, and let each speaker chose the one that suits them best? I live in a country wh…

Assuming nothing is lost in translation. Such a system is totally blind to this issue.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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post #10

If we want to use only one official working language, it should be Esperanto. This would be neutral for any country (including Ireland and Malta). This would not be a threat to other languages and cultures. Esperanto is easier to learn than any naturally evolved language. Its benefits are clear, it only needs a political support to thrive.

> Esperanto is easier to learn than any naturally evolved language. Its benefits are clear... Both of these statements are not true, arguable at minimum. Sorry for not explaining properly but if you do say something like this, is very likely that you are aware of the discussions around it and knows that this is very far from consensus in the linguistics field.

It's obvious Esperanto is much easier to learn than English and there is lots of evidence for it. The studies estimate it to be about 10X easier to become fluent in EO vs EN.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/studies-in-second-la...

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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post #10

If we want to use only one official working language, it should be Esperanto. This would be neutral for any country (including Ireland and Malta). This would not be a threat to other languages and cultures. Esperanto is easier to learn than any naturally evolved language. Its benefits are clear, it only needs a political support to thrive.

Let's get your facts straight: > Esperanto is easier to learn than any naturally evolved language. ...only for many Indo-European speakers.

That's not true. Esperanto is easy to learn because it's very regular, has a small vocabulary, phonetic spelling, etc...

None of those advantages only apply to Indo-Europeans. It's not even fair to say Esperanto fits in the European language family. http://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenanglais/europeanorasiat...

China is also one of the largest state supporters of Esperanto. You can take classes in it at University and Radio Peking has regular news broadcasts in it.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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post #57

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English has the advantage of being an easy language to learn (at least up to 80% proficiency): no genders, little conjugation, no declension.

The fact that it has so lany dialects that are frequently explored in popular media too means its a language that can be spoken poorly and still be understood. The listener bears some of the cognitive load and many other languages arent as advanced in this regard.

"can be spoken poorly and still be understood"

That is only something that is easy for native speakers, though. The points a non-native speaker anchors in the speaking flow are completely different to the ones a native speaker does, and depend on the mother language, making the thousand "official" variations of native English quite a challenge.

I find far superior other languages approach of having a "high" form taught in schools that everybody native is supposed the speak and understand, and the dialects are left for home.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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> The language of our time is English. And tomorrows language is mandarin. Let's not write off that 1.1B speakers. With the rate China is expanding its influence in the world, I wouldn't be surprised if in 100 years not speaking mandarin wouldn't look a bit odd.

If you really want to troll, try recommending Arabic as the language of Europe’s future ;)

Well if EU English becomes a thing what'll probably happen is a mix of North African Arabic dialects and EU English, my family and I speak a mix of Algerian, British English, American English and French French

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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Be encouraged by other countries such as Pakistan and India in which English is already 'co-official': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_entities_w... Please also combine anglic with a conservative spelling reform: color, beautyfull, burocracys, enouf, allready... Basically look at the most common spelling mistakes and chose those variants which are more logical than the current spelling. The language…

Man, I would vote for life whoever proposed to fix english spelling. The fact I can't use in conversation many words I have learned reading because I have no idea how are spelled is my biggest grudge with the language.

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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post #71

This is brilliant! Finally there's the opportunity to adopt an equalizing language that will also help free us from national culture isolationism : - a language that is nobody's mother tongue: YEEEY! - language that is not attached to any one culture: 10x YEEY! Think about it! This could help global not just European unity: all the people of Asian and African origin who already speak fluent English could instantly em…

The part I like best about your utopia is the irony that it leaves all native english countries out by design.

"Thanks for giving us this tongue that has allowed us to transcend as humans, now GTFO"

Re: EU must adopt ‘EU English’ as its official working language after Brexit (2017)

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post #67

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Fellow Dutch speaker here. Why in the world are you a big fan of our language? Just because it's your own? And German, just because it's so close? Both languages are horrible to learn compared to English.

I am a fan because I like them in a literary sense. I enjoy reading Flemish writers (Hubert Lampo, Hugo Raes) and German writers; I like the way sentences are built up and how they sound. I like Dutch less than Flemish, especially A.B.N. I find quite horrible these days. We bastardized our language too much in my opinion and our Belgian neighbors have always tried to prevent that. But my point was (typing on mobile s…

> where does that statement 'horrible to learn' come from?

I had French, English, German, and Dutch in school. I'm a native Dutch speaker. English was easier than any other language. I'm pretty sure my English grammar is better than my Dutch right now. I mostly understand the d/t rules in Dutch by now, but I'm not always certain. French, German, and Dutch classes kept introducing lots of random rules that serve no purpose. At the end of high school, the only language I could hold a grammatically correct conversation in was English and my native language, and write a grammatically correct text only in English (not Dutch, or at least not without avoiding certain rules by rewriting sentences).

English classes also introduced some silly random rules at first, but once you get beyond the a/an, learn a hundred or so irregular verbs, and a few other such things, you're mostly done and it's just vocabulary and expressions/sayings left. You can't really get around the latter, but the former can be kept as small as possible (only the useful features like indicating possessiveness or plurals, not differentiating between whether the object you're speaking about is {male, female, neuter} × {active, idle, giving, modifier}). And the German sentence structure is more convoluted than necessary (I forgot most of my French, maybe theirs too), plac[1] the second part of a split verb so far at the end of the sentence with lots of words and qualifications in between that you lost track of what came before when you finally reach the end of the sentence especially if you can't really read German fluently [1]ing, but maybe that just takes some getting used to.

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