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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by nuccy »

nuccy wrote: post #47

8-core CPU, even presumably with HT off after all the recent Intel vulnerabilities, makes me laugh after my personal experience with my late 2016 MacBook Pro 13 touch bar with fastest (at that time) i7. During normal browsing especially with plugged charger, it was heating so much that something in the keyboard was unglueing. The space bar and 'c' produced different clicking sound. I was quite unhappy with that since…

P.S. I'm not a picky person. I work in a quiet office so even my colleague noticed the issue without me pointing. At the beginning I really wanted to fix the issue. Later it was rather for 'feedback' and a matter of principle.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by microtonal »

endymi0n wrote: post #111
gilbetron wrote: post #74

After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

I can only come to the same conclusion. Typing this on a 2018 MacBook 15 inch, and it's a disaster. I still keep accidentally hitting the Touchbar ten times per day while typing (it's not a press-bar, duh), I need a dongle for _everything and their mother_, battery lifetime isn't good, the keyboard is prone to mistyping and double clicks, the screen doesn't get bright enough sometimes, I can't get any higher spec har…

I can only come to the same conclusion. Typing this on a 2018 MacBook 15 inch, and it's a disaster. I still keep accidentally hitting the Touchbar ten times per day while typing (it's not a press-bar, duh)

My favorite problem is activating Siri when I use Touch ID (yes, I know you can remove Siri from the Touch Bar). I miss the physical escape key. But the Touch Bar is great for volume control and scrobbling. Touch ID is awesome though (if I manager to hit the right area), I really miss Touch ID on my Linux machine.

I need a dongle for _everything and their mother_

Don't get me started on the dongles. I was a fairly early adopter (had the first generation 12" MacBook). They actually sold USB-C adapters initially where the USB-A port only supports USB 2.0. Yep 80 Euro for an adapter that only does USB 2.0.

Then their USB-C HDMI adapter only support HiDPI at 30Hz (due to supporting an older HMDI version). Again, unbelievable for an adapter that was initially 80 Euro.

So, I had to buy a USB-C DisplayPort adapter to hook up a HiDPI screen at 60Hz (third-party USB-C HDMI adapters universally had bad reviews). The adapter works fine on the MacBook Pro 2016. I updated later to the MacBook Pro 2018, and for some mysterious reason the adapter does not work on the MacBook Pro 2018, no output at all (still works fine with my wife's 2016). So I had to buy yet another adapter... (What's the point of USB-C as a universal interface if it is not universal?)

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by thefourthchime »

endymi0n wrote: post #111
gilbetron wrote: post #74

After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

I can only come to the same conclusion. Typing this on a 2018 MacBook 15 inch, and it's a disaster. I still keep accidentally hitting the Touchbar ten times per day while typing (it's not a press-bar, duh), I need a dongle for _everything and their mother_, battery lifetime isn't good, the keyboard is prone to mistyping and double clicks, the screen doesn't get bright enough sometimes, I can't get any higher spec har…

Not sure what your usage is like, but after being on OSX for 10 years and going back to Windows 10, I don't miss it much. Windows 10 is pretty great these days.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by toasterlovin »

McDev wrote: post #205
alt_f4 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given it is the 3rd attempt at fixing a fundamentally broken mechanism design, I think it's fairly likely it doesn't actually fix anything. Edit: lol, they actually have already included this new laptop in the keyboard replacement program: https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-m...

I find it astonishing that they've included it in the replacement program. That gives me no confidence whatsoever, and after having replaced and returned both 2016 and 2017 MBP models, I am going to stay well clear of this keyboard form factor.

I think you can actually interpret this new MacBook Pro's inclusion in the repair program multiple ways. It could mean that they don't have much confidence in the updated keyboard. But it could also mean that they want to reassure customers that they will be taken care of. Kinda like the free bumpers in response to Antennagate: Antennagate wasn't actually a thing, but they gave away free cases to mollify people and just shut the door on the whole issue.

I have no idea which of those is the correct interpretation...

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by tartrate »

These announcements are getting just as cringey as the Wolfram announcements...

    "the fastest Mac notebook ever" (x3)
    "is more powerful than ever" (x2)
    "the best Mac notebook display ever"
and

    "the latest version of the world’s most advanced desktop operating system."

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by jandrese »

ValentineC wrote: post #80
skierguy wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the same thing. Now I'm stuck with a $1500 Asus laptop that barely plays Netflix a year and a half later. despite an 7th gen i7 and 16gb of DDR4. Now I'm saving up for a Macbook Pro again, despite my hatred for the keyboard and touchbar.

> Now I'm stuck with a $1500 Asus laptop that barely plays Netflix a year and a half later. despite an 7th gen i7 and 16gb of DDR4. Any idea what's wrong with it?

Maybe he has a spinning disk in it? I see lots of laptops in that price range that go for the 1TB HDD instead of the 256GB SSD. Windows 10 on a 5400RPM HDD is pretty miserable these days, the OS just can't stop touching the disk and it's forever IO bound.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by acomjean »

VectorLock wrote: post #83
thsowers wrote: post #7

Wish there was an option to buy a 15 inch with no touch bar. I cannot find any suitable use for it on my current model, and I often hit items inadvertently due to the lack of tactile feedback

I feel like this is such a common refrain and yet when a maker like System76 tries to enter this market they still still fuck it all up by jamming a number pad in the side. Why do they all do this?

System76 is using OEM gaming laptops, so are probably a little limited in what they can do. They keys are slightly smaller (I think), but I have gotten used to them. I do like having the number pad though.

The only thing I'm missing in my mac -> linux conversion, is lightroom (it seems to process raw files better). I'm getting better at the linux equivalent "darktable". I sometimes feel I would pay for software on linux to get a polished experience.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by dingus »

alt_f4 wrote: post #136
toasterlovin wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, this update includes an updated keyboard. Whether or not that's a fix remains to be seen.

Given it is the 3rd attempt at fixing a fundamentally broken mechanism design, I think it's fairly likely it doesn't actually fix anything. Edit: lol, they actually have already included this new laptop in the keyboard replacement program: https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-m...

Wow, it is listed... I wonder what the root cause is for all of these problems with the MBP line.

For the record, I have exchanged my 2018 MBP twice (so far) because of multiple different hardware problems. Not inspiring confidence to see the 2019 preemptively listed here.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by stallmanite »

omnimus wrote: post #187
everyone wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people on HN call the Mac OS 'great' ... But why? What is so great about it that is not similar on Linux or Windows? When ye say "great", I think ye mean "the one I am familiar with".

Well it has decent window manager with multiple desktops, does not require antivirus and supports Adobe. For graphicdesign/developer there really arent many other choices. Also if you work with sound its hands down best OS.

In what way is MacOS best for working with sound? The industry has long ago moved on to Windows.
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