Unprofitable companies are the only ones that really benefit from IPOs. An IPO is basically a way for the company to raise money, but tis time straight from the public. Usually when it gets harder and harder for them to attract private investors. The IPO listing basically guarantees that they won't take the public's billions and run. Successful companies with perfect cash flows (think of Github, Valve, IKEA) always t…
> Unprofitable I hear you, but... Meh, they say invest in companies who make products you use. I use the shit out of Uber and I don't plan on stopping even if the price goes up a bit. Now, I'm upper middle class, and I understand this isn't everyone's mindset, so I have no idea how the rest of the world feels. However, there are locatios, like my crappy hometown where I grew up not so fortunate circumstances, where h…
Uber opens at $42 per share
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Re: Uber opens at $42 per share
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
When your shoeshine person gives you trading tips..
Who still gets their shoes shined?
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Re: Uber opens at $42 per share
#213According to this article, stock was valued internally at $49/share in 2016 , so anyone joining in the last three years will not have enjoyed any sort of rocket-ship growth. https://news.yahoo.com/uber-employees-may-not-partying-15171...
If you’re joining a $60 billion company with thousands of employees expecting rocket-ship growth, that’s kind of on you, I think. You wouldn’t expect that from a public company; why would you from a similarly sized company that just happens to be pre-IPO?
Microsoft in 2016 was $51, $127 now
Facebook was $97, $189 now
We're not even talking about rocket-ship growth here. We are talking about option strike prices losing money in one of the most favorable economic time periods where massive, healthy public business did have monstrous growth.
I would have at least expected price parity with other large companies - even that assumption would have been wrong.
Re: Uber opens at $42 per share
#214According to this article, stock was valued internally at $49/share in 2016 , so anyone joining in the last three years will not have enjoyed any sort of rocket-ship growth. https://news.yahoo.com/uber-employees-may-not-partying-15171...
> anyone joining in the last three years will not have enjoyed any sort of rocket-ship growth Uber was also somewhat unique among unicorns in uniformly blocking its employees from selling shares on the secondary markets.
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#215Did I miss something? I thought Uber was still a long way from being profitable and had no plausible plan for how to become profitable.
These days, being profitable is considered harmful. More profits = more taxes. Getting virtual “profits” into stock appreciation and structuring revenues to pay nearly zero tax is the name of the game today, and only big corporations can afford it. It is small and medium businesses that pick the bill.
Re: Uber opens at $42 per share
#216Some notes from watching Uber open: - if it closes below $45(its IPO price) it will be the first time since 2008 that the happened for a major IPO - TD Ameritrade executed more orders in the first 10 minutes of trading than they did for the first 2.5 hours with Lyft. - Uber is 9% of all trading at TD Ameritrade, retail loves this stock, - market is down today, which isn't helping Uber but its probably not much of a f…
PSTG closed below its IPO price in 2015 with $4B market cap. How are you classifying IPOs?
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With the burn rate uber has, it'll be bankrupt in < 2 years. There are no other suckers to buy in after the public.
I've never understood why so many people were/are so bullish on Uber. I understand that ride hailing is a big deal, but it doesn't feel like it's that hard to launch a new ride hailing company. I'm basing that opinion on what I've seen in my city. When Uber and Lyft left Austin, there were lots of alternatives that had existed or popped up to fill the space. Aside from brand recognition, what does Uber have that the…
Brand recognition is no small thing. Hyper growth is what a lot of companies are going for, because that's the model that lead to amazon dominating the world. Ubering being a verb is very valuable.
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
The investment bank sells a lot of shares to its own preferred clients. If the price then drops (because the initial offering price was too high) those preferred clients lose money. So the bank has every incentive to price it low, and usually does. So when the market goes even lower, we know that the IPO was done out of desperation and that early investors who had influence over the IPO price were eager to dump some…
> So when the market goes even lower, we know that the IPO was done out of desperation How is that the correct conclusion. It sounds like the correct conclusion is they still over estimated the market price. Nothing about desperation for or against.
Re: Uber opens at $42 per share
#220According to this article, stock was valued internally at $49/share in 2016 , so anyone joining in the last three years will not have enjoyed any sort of rocket-ship growth. https://news.yahoo.com/uber-employees-may-not-partying-15171...
If you’re joining a $60 billion company with thousands of employees expecting rocket-ship growth, that’s kind of on you, I think. You wouldn’t expect that from a public company; why would you from a similarly sized company that just happens to be pre-IPO?
Over the past 3 years:
FB is up 60%
AAPL is up 98%
AMZN is up 261%
NFLX is up 363%
GOOG is up 60%