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Re: Is everything an MLM

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No. But if both persons are productive then the Fed is more likely to inject another dollar or two into circulation.

When the money supply increases, the pie isn't growing: There are just more, smaller slices available.

That's not how it works at all. The point of growing the money supply is to match the growth of wealth in the society. The reason central banks have target levels for inflation is it's one way to ensure they're doing that correctly.

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The economy that you describe, is the simplified econ 101 version. The market fixes everything, and the invisible hand steers everything to optimality. The human being you describe in your last paragraph is from the same economics textbook: A perfectly rational human being making rational decisions 24/7. Both are simplified models that help doing some undergrad economics...but are absolutely insufficient to explain t…

The alternative to letting the individual determine what they want is to let someone else choose for them. I’m arguing on fundamental principles because the parent commenter is advocating a reorganization of market-based economies. I don’t care how complex the system is. If you aren’t letting me, the individual, determine what is best for my life, then you are coming from a place of superiority and belief that you kn…

You are mischaracterizing the top-level comment and presenting a false choice. Nowhere in the original comment did the author suggest that he/she wants someone else to make your choices for you. They simply pointed out a few common, well-understood failure modes of unfettered capitalism as implemented in much of the western world today, namely unaccounted negative externalities and markets that can't be characterized as efficient with any sort of straight face.

It's possible to honestly acknowledge these failures and speculate about possible solutions without being a socialist. But apparently it isn't possible to have this conversation without libertarians asking you if you're a communist for even thinking about possible limits to no-rules-at-all capitalism.

Re: Is everything an MLM

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How can you be that naive? On the large scale, marketing (which includes paid for by industry, biased scientific studies) is what shapes people’s desires. Vast majority of people are perfectly happy with letting someone else choose for them, and even smart people fall for it. It has truly became a fundamental principle of our society.

I think thats a bad cliche. If I break down my spending, most goes on food (I have no rent/mortgage), the next biggest item are essentials like utilities/council tax/bills, then car bills (insurance, petrol, repairs), then the kids then personal luxuries for me and my wife. Marketers might shape how I spend my food budget (ie on which brands/products) but I still need food. Marketers influenced my choice of car, but…

A lot of marketing efforts in various forms are designed to subtly persuade you that owning a car is cool, that driving it is a pleasant experience, that it signals respect and social status. Even people who don’t need cars are influenced by that. Same techniques are used in real estate advertising.

Keep in mind that marketing also influences other people, including those whose opinions you value.

If PR/advertising/marketing became illegal tomorrow, people would still continue to spend most of their income on a place to live, food to eat, utilities, a car and their kids education.

Yes, and the commercial entities providing those services would have devised ways to influence you despite all those restrictions. Unless you’re talking about North Korea style society, where marketing is replaced by propaganda.

Re: Is everything an MLM

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Reminds me of the Norm MacDonald joke: "When I was a child, they told me to crush the cans, recycle and plant trees. It's for your own future.

Then I grew up and 'here I am', and they said, 'not you, it's for the future generation'.

I know a pyramid scheme when I see one."

Re: Is everything an MLM

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The video has nothing to do with anything we are talking about, it is about short and longterm debt cycles. That was my comment. Markets aren't killing anybody, markets don't hold a gun. They are a tool to efficiently allocate resources via price discovery.

Yes they are. They are a very poor tool in some use cases and are a great tool in others. Denying that is literally pulling triggers.

No, denying that is at most failing to understand some connection.

Attacking others doesn't help you make others understand the problems you are seeing.

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Hah, exactly. Capitalism is not perfect; apparently it is the better of the alternatives we have right now. In order to effect fundamental change, and find a better alternative to capitalism, each human being needs to fundamentally change themselves--yet apparently no one is willing to do that. As long as we let instinctual passions like desire, and social emotions like envy, hold sway over us so will continue to exi…

Don’t know why this is being downvoted. To someone who witnessed the transition from forced “socialism” to brutal capitalism in Russia it makes total sense.

> Don't know why this is being downvoted

The key answer is contained in my comment -- to wit: "yet apparently no one is willing to do that [fundamentally change themselves]". Even most intelligently people, the demographics of HN, are unwilling ... hence the (mindless) downvotes.

Re: Is everything an MLM

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Why aren't you arguing directly that we should all live in soviet-style housing blocks? Concrete is good enough, right? Then we'd all be equal.

I'm not saying they're wrong to have them. I'm pointing out spending $20,000 on some piece of stone for you to prepare your food on is fairly non-essential. Though again, they remove mountains for this, the shop produces a bunch of toxic, fish killing dust and sediment every day that's slowly killing me and my coworkers and destroying the planet. But my main point was, the things I create every day are not essential.…

> But my main point was, the things I create every day are not essential

A country that only produces essential items (food, shelter) for its population is a very poor country.

Almost by definition, a wealthy country predominantly produces and consumes non-essential goods and services.

It gets really difficult to argue which non-essential goods are worthwhile. Is the art on the wall worth more than the stone lintel? Is it good art? Is it a second hand lintel?

Re: Is everything an MLM

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post #83

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The economy that you describe, is the simplified econ 101 version. The market fixes everything, and the invisible hand steers everything to optimality. The human being you describe in your last paragraph is from the same economics textbook: A perfectly rational human being making rational decisions 24/7. Both are simplified models that help doing some undergrad economics...but are absolutely insufficient to explain t…

The alternative to letting the individual determine what they want is to let someone else choose for them. I’m arguing on fundamental principles because the parent commenter is advocating a reorganization of market-based economies. I don’t care how complex the system is. If you aren’t letting me, the individual, determine what is best for my life, then you are coming from a place of superiority and belief that you kn…

You’re arguing from principles but not ones which are actually relevant to the problems at hand.

Your regurgitatation of economic dogma is far too simple for the authoritative stance you’ve chosen to adopt regarding how to solve one of the most complex and nuanced problems... ever.

Re: Is everything an MLM

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> everything Article is just about CorePower Yoga and grad school.

It also contains this passage:

> When I first suggested that yoga teacher training was an MLM, someone rightly responded: “it feels like everything today is an MLM.” That’s what happens when an industry is fully enveloped by capitalism: When a hedge fund buys a yoga company — or when universities are figured as money-making businesses, with actual consultants hired to lead them.

That's the source for the title.

Re: Is everything an MLM

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Within the monetary market model, the fundamental factors are money supply and money flow. To solve poverty and ensure that everyone has basic necessities satisfied, either buy from the poor or donate to them. These are the only civil options.
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