Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

Post by pjmlp » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 8:56 AM UTC

stefan_ wrote: post #208

pjmlp wrote: post #187

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Reading through AOSP documentation and AOSP source code tells another story. > Binderized HALs. HALs expressed in HAL interface definition language (HIDL). These HALs replace both conventional and legacy HALs used in earlier versions of Android. In a Binderized HAL, the Android framework and HALs communicate with each other using binder inter-process communication (IPC) calls. All devices launching with Android 8.0 o…

Nothing you quoted changes anything. Yes, they added more abstraction on top of HALs. No, that doesn't mean HALs are now any "closer to the metal" than before. Here are some obvious hints to why this is not true: * there are no HALs defined for even 1/3rd of what kernel drivers you would need to run a modern device * a bunch of the HALs require you to provide handles obtained from standardized kernel interfaces (e.g.…

> > Legacy HALs (also deprecated in Android 8.0) are interfaces that predate conventional HALs. A few important subsystems (Wi-Fi, Radio Interface Layer, and Bluetooth) are legacy HALs.

Post by srndh » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 11:32 AM UTC

tlamponi wrote: post #192

srndh wrote: post #190

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> KaiOS (which is really Firefox OS) Thats news to me. I read that KaiOS was built from the ground up & not derived from anything. > Firefox OS hadn't thrown in the towel so early That was a rather quite event and I was surprised to see no much discussion around it. An OS by Mozilla can be more trusted than an OS by Google. Why did Mozilla kill the project?

> Thats news to me. I read that KaiOS was built from the ground up & not derived from anything. Where did you read that? Read the first sentence of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS (all with good citations, e.g., https://support.kaiostech.com/support/solutions/articles/350... )

Wow. I didn't check the wikipedia entry for KaiOS earlier.

But the weird thing is that I recently read in some magazine (I am unable to remember the name) about Google investing in KaiOS which was a Brazilian company and the whole article was mentioning how Silicon Valley is unable to understand its customers as they live in a bubble and how its the companies in developing countries that truly understand the needs of the customer and deliver. Its mentioned that KaiOS is gunning at Android for #1 in India and Google's investment was a sign of acceptance and a hint that the new version of Android will get shelved soon. It even referred to India based Zoho as the true challenger to Google Apps & Office 360. Also how wechat is miles ahead of Whatsapp & likes and how in a sense it challenges the whole Silicon Valley in terms of all the features it has. Basically it was urging the readers to not assume that silicon valley products as superior and try others too.

I hope Mozilla reconsiders and starts up Firefox OS again. I prefer it over a company driven product like KaiOS.

P.S. Just noticed that the last name of the KaiOS's CEO is "Codeville".

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia

Re: Linux-based 4G phones with Google Assistant sold for $7 in Indonesia