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Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by neom »

comboy wrote: post #121
legitster wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were all sorts of reports that he was a pretty taxing guest as well. Cleaning, hygiene, etc.

As Eric Weinstein put it, "we are standing on shoulders of jerks"[1]. I posted it already here once, but it is such a valuable insight that I think it's worth repeating. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKeMIWVOnbo&feature=youtu.be...

Thanks for posting this, I hadn't given that thought much time and it was interesting to hear it put so succinctly. In my opinion it's a pretty valid perspective, however, it does create a very narrow definition of genius. I'd suggest that the loud stomps unsavory genius in their sensibilities may very well create a lack of space for the quite, introverted, polite, snowflake philosophical or artistic genius, and that this to me would be equally disappointing. I think a good underlying lens is meeting people where they are, whoever they are.

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Post by Tomte »

mrobot wrote: post #201
dragonwriter wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She's not locked up for leaking, she's locked up for flagrant contempt in an active grand jury investigation, one which otherwise poses her no legal jeopardy, since she has both immunity and, for much of the subject matter, double jeopardy protection since she's been tried, convicted, and served her sentence for her involvement.

What about this "perjury trap" thing? https://shadowproof.com/2019/03/21/chelsea-manning-believes-...

Either she committed perjury earlier or she didn't.

That's a thing in the past.

If she has perjured herself she certainly has no legal right not to be punished for it. Immunity agreements come in the form "come clean and tell us all". If she didn't, well, that was a stupid decision.

If she did not perjure herself there is no trap to be laid.

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Post by ratling »

wnevets wrote: post #210

Time to send that puppet home to Russia, that's where all of the "freedom fighters" apparently flee to.

I won’t be surprised if he very quickly gets “accidentallied.” He’s outlived his use to his masters and is a liability now.

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Post by ratling »

dragonwriter wrote: post #97
wurst_case wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly Manning is the most simpathetic of all mistreated 'leakers'. Truly, what does anyone gain by having her locked up?

She's not locked up for leaking, she's locked up for flagrant contempt in an active grand jury investigation, one which otherwise poses her no legal jeopardy, since she has both immunity and, for much of the subject matter, double jeopardy protection since she's been tried, convicted, and served her sentence for her involvement.

Principles aren’t principles if you only have them when they’re easy.

The US government shoved her in isolation for years. Even with immunity why should she help them now?

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Post by mpfundstein »

matt4077 wrote: post #168
clintonb wrote: post #5

> WikiLeaks cited the unidentified person as saying the planned expulsion is a response to the organization’s recent tweet linking to a website that alleged money laundering and corruption during Ecuadorian President Lenin Moreno’s time as United Nations special envoy for the disabled in Geneva. Foreign Minister Jose Valencia said last month that the government was “very surprised” by that and other actions by Assang…

Not to mention all his trouble started when he raped (allegedly) one of his former hosts, who had also put him up for free and was generally a fan until he violated the house rules on hygiene.

I can’t believe you still buy into that narrative. It has been shown over and over again that the rape accusations are questionable. Not guilty until proven so. Did we forget that?

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Post by lucozade »

dTal wrote: post #209
toyg wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assange has not been on the wikileaks staff for 6 months, reportedly. It’s not even clear whether he has internet access anymore. And obviously, if they had been silent on this matter people would now throw accusations of a convenient coverup.

Well that's interesting. It suggests that whoever controls the Wikileaks twitter account may have intended this to happen. And it's a rather interesting time to be stirring up this particular pot in the UK...

> And it's a rather interesting time to be stirring up this particular pot in the UK...

Can you elaborate? I can't think of any reason why this would be more or less interesting than any time since the Swedes dropped the rape case. But i can't say I've been following that closely recently.

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Post by toyg »

lucozade wrote: post #216
dTal wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that's interesting. It suggests that whoever controls the Wikileaks twitter account may have intended this to happen. And it's a rather interesting time to be stirring up this particular pot in the UK...

> And it's a rather interesting time to be stirring up this particular pot in the UK... Can you elaborate? I can't think of any reason why this would be more or less interesting than any time since the Swedes dropped the rape case. But i can't say I've been following that closely recently.

The UK is in the middle of a constitutional and social crisis that goes by the name of Brexit.

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Post by ralph84 »

pjc50 wrote: post #180
raxxorrax wrote: post #174

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Pretty much the whole Russia angle was a big pile of crap for democrats to save face. In my opinion, this hysteria is a big scandal for parts of the media, US institutions and the democratic party. Not saying that Putin is our friend or that republicans are the better choice in the US (not from there).

What about all the actually guilty? > Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies during their lengthy investigation, which is now complete. > That group is composed of six former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including five of the six former Trump advisers…

If you spend two years investigating _anyone_, chances are you can find a law they violated sometime in their life.

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Post by viivaux »

clintonb wrote: post #5

> WikiLeaks cited the unidentified person as saying the planned expulsion is a response to the organization’s recent tweet linking to a website that alleged money laundering and corruption during Ecuadorian President Lenin Moreno’s time as United Nations special envoy for the disabled in Geneva. Foreign Minister Jose Valencia said last month that the government was “very surprised” by that and other actions by Assang…

He's not a guest in Moreno's home. He's a political asylum seeker in a sunless room in a sunless country, where he's been for seven years despite a UN panel ruling that he was being unlawfully detained.

Further, political pressure was put on Ecuador to mess with Assange by the US despite the above and more.

None of this is secret information. "Hacker News" letting this misinfo stand as top comment - I'm no longer surprised but I'm still disgusted.

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Post by viivaux »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #149
sschueller wrote: post #44

Free Manning, free Assange and free Snowden. These 3 individuals have shown the world the corruption and criminal activity our governments engage in and no matter how hard they try to silence them, eventually the truth will show through.

Did they change anything? Did anything they do matter in the end?

And what pray tell have you done?
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