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Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men

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Re: Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men

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Post by malvosenior »

roguecoder wrote: post #204
rhegart wrote: post #154

High school, college, any STEM fields are all overwhelmingly biased in terms of favoring women. 57% of college graduates are women. Men are not only getting the short end of the stick but are being told by every voice that they are privileged, it’s their fault, they are bad whereas women have sooooo many extra programs and positive reinforcement to succeed. No one with a straight face can tell me women in entry level…

Why are you assuming the women are below average? Though even if they were, maybe they are making a premium because they aren't adding sexism to their workplaces and exposing their company to the legal liabilities you are.

> Why are you assuming the women are below average?

He said they're his friends and they agree with him. Why would you assume that he's lying about people he knows?

> Though even if they were, maybe they are making a premium because they aren't adding sexism to their workplaces and exposing their company to the legal liabilities you are.

By being paid more than their male counterparts while being less qualified for the job, they most definitely are adding sexism to the work place.

Re: Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men

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Post by MRD85 »

lallysingh wrote: post #192
MRD85 wrote: post #178

Talking about the additional compensation - "Men account for about 69 percent of the company’s work force, but they received a disproportionately higher percentage of the money." Doesn't this imply that men, per capita, were being underpaid more than women?

Wait, that sounds backwards. Men == 69% of workforce, and receive >69% of money?

This is the compensation fund for underpaid workers. Men received more than their share of it since it was found they were more underpaid than women.

Re: Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men

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Post by codyb »

roguecoder wrote: post #204
rhegart wrote: post #154

High school, college, any STEM fields are all overwhelmingly biased in terms of favoring women. 57% of college graduates are women. Men are not only getting the short end of the stick but are being told by every voice that they are privileged, it’s their fault, they are bad whereas women have sooooo many extra programs and positive reinforcement to succeed. No one with a straight face can tell me women in entry level…

Why are you assuming the women are below average? Though even if they were, maybe they are making a premium because they aren't adding sexism to their workplaces and exposing their company to the legal liabilities you are.

I read that as an AND as opposed to a singular entity.

Below average AND woman.

Re: Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men

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Post by peruvian »

sleepysysadmin wrote: post #94

The gender wage gap is real in the sense that there is a gap, but when you analyze it, they are comparing apples to oranges. I'm sure everyone here knows this. https://data.oecd.org/earnwage/gender-wage-gap.htm The countries with the highest wage gaps are the countries with the most equality in the workplace. Women in Korea are not treated poorly. The important thing though is the people proposing that the wage gap i…

> Women in Korea are not treated poorly.

Do you know this for sure? Developed East Asian countries are some of the worst in terms of work equality for women, particularly if they want to have children. Not a good example to use.

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Post by rfinney »

rhegart wrote: post #154

High school, college, any STEM fields are all overwhelmingly biased in terms of favoring women. 57% of college graduates are women. Men are not only getting the short end of the stick but are being told by every voice that they are privileged, it’s their fault, they are bad whereas women have sooooo many extra programs and positive reinforcement to succeed. No one with a straight face can tell me women in entry level…

"non major liberal cities"

I think the "me too" thing proved the coastal elite were part of the problem.

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Post by edejong »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #176
adamsea wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one with a straight face can tell me women in entry level tech programs are not incredibly favored. All my below average coder friends that are women got awesome jobs with high salaries extremely easily. Yes, I talk with them and they agree with what I’m saying. .... and yet, how many workplaces have an engineering team which are 50% female? 25% female? 10% female? 5% female?

In my company in the IT department (over 1000 people) more than 50% are women, reaching around 60%. In the past 5-6 years the promotions were 4 to 1 in favor of women and when hiring, female candidates come first if the skills are comparable or not much lower than male candidates. This is because we used to have a female CIO that set diversity targets that were mandatory for all levels, so in less than 10 years we we…

Makes me wonder how many men left the IT department in order to prevent career-suicide.

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Post by mandelbrotwurst »

roguecoder wrote: post #204
rhegart wrote: post #154

High school, college, any STEM fields are all overwhelmingly biased in terms of favoring women. 57% of college graduates are women. Men are not only getting the short end of the stick but are being told by every voice that they are privileged, it’s their fault, they are bad whereas women have sooooo many extra programs and positive reinforcement to succeed. No one with a straight face can tell me women in entry level…

Why are you assuming the women are below average? Though even if they were, maybe they are making a premium because they aren't adding sexism to their workplaces and exposing their company to the legal liabilities you are.

Are women never sexist?

Re: Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men

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Post by esarbe »

krn wrote: post #121

As a side note: I have recently come over a university which promised a gender equality in "all our science degrees", which it explained as an "admission of 50% males, 50% females". But how can it be a "gender equality", if 80% of the applicants are males?

Well, this is about "equality in outcome", which is deeply flawed if you aim for a meritocratic approach. In the situation you describe, there can only be equality in outcome if you heavily discriminate against men.

Re: Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men

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Post by golemiprague »

These days women are grossly overpaid comparing to their actual contribution to the economy. The wage gap should be 50% if not more. Women don't create new businesses, they hardly work in anything that actually create economic value. Many of them work for the government and in all kind of care taking jobs, from social workers to teachers, nurses and a myriad of jobs in corporates with fancy titles which are actually just being a secretary.

The average housewife is contributing more to the economy than the average working woman. She cleans, cook, give mental support to the kids, help their homework and in general give them all daycare functionalities, take care of the elders and wash the laundry. Think about the cost of all those jobs which men usually pay for with their taxes or it comes directly off the woman fake job. Instead of husbands giving some of their earnings directly to their housewives they give it to the government and other outsourcing entities which use it much less efficiently, just a drag on the economy. And I don't even want to start with the implications like raising house prices, extra cars necessary etc.

Someone should research the whole thing but I am sure nobody will do it because they are all afraid from the results and it goes against the common ideologies in the academia. And no, I am not saying women should go back to the kitchen, each one can do whatever they like and want, but we need to be realistic about it and we need to stop valuing women working outside so much.

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