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Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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Re: Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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Overall, the vast majority of similar reports are completely irrelevant, partial or non-sensical. Happy to give details but the most common pattern is the same person demanding that Facebook regulate speech in one sentence and being outraged that Facebook feels allowed to regulate speech before that sentence is over. Most journalists who write about Facebook are deemed as “having no idea what they are talking about”.…

This post might as well have been written by a third party to discredit facebook. To summarize: 1) "As long as there's someone worse we don't have to worry" 2) "working for Facebook feels like you are dealing with making profit, pleasing management, pleasing partners, progressing your career and going home early at the same time — and the public only seems to care about privacy violations."

Not sure I wrote about any of those points and confused why you would think raising a strawman is a good argument.

I’m also not saying that large or influential companies should not be held to higher standards; they absolutely should, and they are where I come from. I’m simply saying that, if you consider problems where Facebook made a bad decision (a minority of the scandals) those issues trickle down to two systemic problems: clear, non-contradictory internal guidelines and prioritisation. Facebook employees are trained to recognise both. When they consider other options, they would often see companies where both are significantly worse. Other companies have simply not been through a decade of excruciating oversight by the international press. Those who have are not managed by someone who is nearly as willing to admit his fault as Mark.

I doesn’t mean that those companies are not better options for ex-Facebooker: they often are; or that they would not make the world a better place by joining those, and advocating for higher standards: they often would. Those companies typically should be held to a lesser standard because they have less of an overall impact. But, as an employee, if you want to prevent problems like those that you regret being a witness to at Facebook, leaving is hard because you can easily see the rest of the world as worst more often than not. If you come with your expectation, gained from working at Facebook, that any minor issue will be twisted into a scandal, most other companies feel very wrong.

You can see that by looking at how many people are above ex-Facebookers at the companies that they join: it’s unusually few. That’s because they rarely trust too many layers to make the right call.

Re: Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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You use your real phone number on FB? MY no on there is a fake (but real number in my area code). And I don't put my Mobile number on FB at all.

Might it be possible to compromise your account by getting control of that phone number?

Lol the 66666 number isn't normally handed out in the uk I used xxxx 66666.

Re: Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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I don't recall giving them my cell phone number, though I do remember being nagged about it incessantly. Just went and looked and sure enough, they've got it. So I deleted it. The account, I mean, not the phone number. I haven't been active on FB in a while and it's no loss to me.

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My GF uses a google voice number (and separate gmail accounts) for job search purposes both for this reason and because she can nuke the phone number later, cutting off headhunters once she'd found something she likes.

Sounds useful. It's unfortunate that google voice still isn't available outside North America. I don't know if that is for technical reasons or for (European/Asian) political reasons. But it sure would have been nice to keep separate numbers the same way it's sometimes necessary to keep separate google accounts.

Google Voice is US-only.

"Google Voice is only available in the United States. To use Google Voice, sign up with a US-based phone number."

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This will make keeping your social media private during recruiting much much harder because rather than trying to search for your name on FB or your email, an interviewer can just search your listed contact number. Names are often not unique but phone numbers are. This matters because creating a new email account for recruiting is trivial, yet creating a new phone number for recruiting is not. Most phones are not dua…

> Names are often not unique but phone numbers are.

Right out of "Myths programmers believe about phone numbers" which was on the HN front page a week back. Has everyone forgotten about landlines? Even cell numbers are not permanently assigned to a single person: especially in jurisdictions where pay-as-you-go accounts are the majority.

Re: Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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This is surely a breach of GDRP. One of the principles is that data must only be used for the purpose for which it was collected. Taking a number provided explicitly for 2FA and using it for search certainly sounds like a breach.

I hope this will end up with a hefty penalty. At this point, I believe a strict regulation is the only way to tame the Facebook beast - the more so because I heavily really on FB to be in touch with my family and friends.

It might not given that the impetus of this change is to combat fake news and bot accounts from nation-states. ...so it might not be high on the target list for the EU since they are actively uncovering more influence operations.

You have to realize that privacy is not a priority for most governments, so unless it's explicitly against the rules, I suspect they won't do much.

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I seriously doubt the vast majority of Facebook users would think about that.

The corporate motto for my next business is going to be: "People are not that bright."

While I tend to agree... it's also fair to say most people won't care about stuff outside their area of interest.

For example I know nothing and don't care about car stuff. I just leave the car at the mechanic, pay, and have to trust they did a good job.

Re: Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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Define fucked in this context. They'll pay a fine, perhaps, but it's not like Mark Zuckerberg will be laying in a gutter pissing blood. Regardless, you can't put the cat back in the bag. Bad actors will still have scrapped your number, or way too much personal identifying information, anyway.

GDPR fines can be pretty significant. Google was hit with a €50 million fine in January.

€50 million doesn’t sound like a lot for a company with $100,000 million revenue.

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We haven’t started doing any serious genetic engineering (or maybe, depending on timeline, the equivalent for minds uploaded into computers) yet. Once we do, we could do a lot of “growing up” very quickly.

It isn't physical "growing up" that we, as a species, need to do. This is the way the whole society act. If you look at politics and corporate world, it feels like a bunch of pre schooler throwing tantrum. As a society we are not acting responsibly. You could argue that the worse are countries that still argue to go to war with their neighbors on the pretends the later are different, but the rest allowing to destroy…

The point I wanted to make here is mostly this: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/10/society-is-fixed-biolo...

IMHO, it doesn’t make sense to blame “society” for being pre schoolers, any more than it makes sense to blame individual humans for becoming mentally ill. Both are just failure modes of our mental hardware (our tribal-status instincts in the societal case.) The only solution to either that would “stick”—what I would interpret “growing up” to mean—is to remake ourselves without those failure modes.

Anything less might help individual humans who get some sort of maintenance treatment for their failure modes; but our society as a whole will still be a function of interactions between both people who have treated those failure modes in themselves, and those who have not yet (because e.g. they aren’t aware yet that they have a problem; or don’t see it as a problem; etc.)

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