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Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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post #77

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If the government wants to use them to pressure Reddit, they can and will. In this instance, Tencent and the government are functionally equivalent.

Using that logic, the CIA and almost every company in existence is functionally equivalent. This is just sloppy thinking. You have to show evidence for your opinions. In this particular instance, do you have any specific evidence?

China isn’t the United States. If you think they’re the same...

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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I smiled on the inside when I noticed this -- people posting all kinds of content exposing China -- earlier in my r/all feed. Great effort by the community.

I initially did as well. Until I started reading all the highly upvoted racist comments about Chinese people.

(Yes, not comments about how bad the government is, rather racist comments about Chinese people.)

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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It wasn't just censorship in the traditional sense, Huffman changed someone else's content that was posted. What an insane and unbelievably poor decision by the CEO of a major company. Sure, the size of Huffman's change was small and limited in scope, but the injustice that it represented combined with the incredible lack of judgment by the Chief Executive rightfully rightfully caused a loud response. He absolutely s…

>but the injustice Let's chill out with the over-the-top rhetoric because few of us are paying customers of reddit and it's their database at the end of the day. Stop manufacturing outrage please

I see your point, but it's bad for Reddit, too. Can their users (and consumers of their ads) trust that posts aren't being doctored?

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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>The CEO edited the post of a user because they criticized him or something. I can't believe how quickly that's been forgotten. The CEO changed a single post from "fuck " to "fuck " for an hour. While certainly this action was not received well, the drama it caused is way overblown and isn't evidence of being 'plagued with censorship.' If anything it's plagued with shills from governments and corporations.

It wasn't just censorship in the traditional sense, Huffman changed someone else's content that was posted. What an insane and unbelievably poor decision by the CEO of a major company. Sure, the size of Huffman's change was small and limited in scope, but the injustice that it represented combined with the incredible lack of judgment by the Chief Executive rightfully rightfully caused a loud response. He absolutely s…

>If content generation or interaction, the core of Reddit's business, is being manipulated, who bears responsibility to correct it?

Who said it needs to be corrected? Is the Reddit CEO in the business of killing golden geese? 'Post edit' scandal notwithstanding?

Reddit profits from a combination of true believers, sophisticated attention merchants, and fly-by-night lurkers who keep the ad execs convinced that clicks equal purchases.

They don't seem to be at risk of losing any of these.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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> Are there examples of companies that said “this is enough money” and stopped concentrating on having ever increasing profits every quarter to satisfy VC or stock investors? Yes, except they're most often private companies and not publicly traded. Many of these inspirational companies are family owned and operated. Eventually, however, someone will get in charge of the company who isn't satisfied with "good enough"…

Off topic: I love the Jiffy Mix except last I checked it has trans fats in it. I wish they would remove that.

IIRC, trans fats were banned in the US. I don't think it works be legal for them to contain them anymore.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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This is also the same argument people make about evidence from seized hard drives, but nobody cares.

Well, making it without proof is a shallow defense. People do care. And this is a basic trust problem inherent to computing. Ever notice how there is often redundancy and history present? This is why. Another place this shows up is electronic voting. Lack of personally identifiable records leave people in a position of forced trust, unable to know the record is accurate. Motive plays a role here. Spez had a childish,…

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Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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>but the injustice Let's chill out with the over-the-top rhetoric because few of us are paying customers of reddit and it's their database at the end of the day. Stop manufacturing outrage please

I see your point, but it's bad for Reddit, too. Can their users (and consumers of their ads) trust that posts aren't being doctored?

A vast majority don't post, don't track a single user from one thread to another, and don't even both voting. Why would they care if the post is being doctored? Or the comments, for that matter?

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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It wasn't just censorship in the traditional sense, Huffman changed someone else's content that was posted. What an insane and unbelievably poor decision by the CEO of a major company. Sure, the size of Huffman's change was small and limited in scope, but the injustice that it represented combined with the incredible lack of judgment by the Chief Executive rightfully rightfully caused a loud response. He absolutely s…

>but the injustice Let's chill out with the over-the-top rhetoric because few of us are paying customers of reddit and it's their database at the end of the day. Stop manufacturing outrage please

When you run a large platform like Reddit, millions of users are trusting you with some basic and fundamental extensions of speech. Huffman violating that trust by editing another's speech crosses a major line.

As others have pointed out, people have gone to jail for what they write on social media and forums. If the universal expectation that a user's posted words are theirs and theirs alone breaks down, as Huffman showed us can be done, then platforms like Reddit can become much more dangerous.

> it's their database at the end of the day.

and that gives them free reign to do whatever they like to content that other people post? If Huffman decided one day that he didn't like you and retroactively edited posts on your Reddit account to make you sound like a white nationalist, that would be wrong, correct?

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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How would tencent owning a minor stake in reddit allow it to censor the site? Or is this outrage mostly because tencent is a Chinese firm? I mean, censorship only works if you have the government backing you, are people legitimately fear the US government is going to bow down to a Chinese company?

It's a bunch of edgelords posting NSFL videos of Tiananmen trying to create a self-fulfilling focus of outrage.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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post #197

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Again, this is always possible, its possible on HN, its possible on gmail, its possible on every single site on the internet, that is how the technology works. This isn't some kind of dark secret backdoor spez built into the reddit codebase. Immature and stupid action maybe, but some kind of scary sentinel of how admin power can be uniquely abused at reddit, it isn't.

It's not always possible — secure audit trails can exist. The web cowboy world just doesn't care.

Its not possible to build a technical system that those building it can not themselves subvert if they so choose.

The argument here isn't if he should have did it, he obviously shouldn't have. The argument is about how incredibly overdone the outrage over the specific circumstances is.

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