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Facebook’s Gmail Killer, Project Titan, Is Coming On Monday

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Re: Facebook’s Gmail Killer, Project Titan, Is Coming On Monday

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I will be really interested to see this, because as it stands Facebook's messaging interface is barely any better than 2001's Hotmail (you do get a pretty picture with address autocomplete though). Going from where they are now to anywhere close to being a 'Gmail killer' is a humongous step.

I heard that Zuckerberg locked Paul Buchheit in a closet and told him he couldn't come out until he cloned Gmail.

Is that why Paul ran off to YC, as soon as it's done?

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This is very true. I'm 20 and I've never used my personal email regularly and I'm sure most of my friends haven't either. We've always used MSN or AIM and more recently Facebook to keep in touch.

So you never purchase anything online?

I still email occasionally but only when necessary. That's why I said I'm not a regularly user. My point is that I've never used email for friend to friend communication.

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This is very true. I'm 20 and I've never used my personal email regularly and I'm sure most of my friends haven't either. We've always used MSN or AIM and more recently Facebook to keep in touch.

I'm a 30-somthing urban professional and almost no one I know still uses MSN or AIM. Tons of people use gchat and gmail, including people who used facebook first. Looking at my adium contacts right now, there are more people signed into gchat than facebook chat, only one signed into MSN and AIM. My wife's friends are the same way. Sure, lots of them have facebook accounts, but all of her friends and business contacts…

We live in the past here in New Zealand.

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To me yes. In a professional image scale I would definitively rank facebook.com less professional than gmail.com but maybe slightly better than WorlOfWarcraft.com

Is this the 2010 equivalent of wearing a jacket and tie? It seems we worked to escape the idea that conformity to arbitrary behaviours was more important than merit, only to replace them with a fresh set of meaningless distinctions.

yes and we'll now be the generation who cannot seem to reconcile themselves with the newer and supposedly more meaningless distinctions until the next ones come along.

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> The interface'll have the be unbelievably amazing and innovative for this to even make a dent in people's minds I guarantee you that they are going to become the default address between people 16 and under. My brother is 16 and doesn't have an email address, but he does have a facebook account.

I doubt it. Most schools block Facebook, whereas most do not block Gmail (many rely on Gmail themselves). Using a Facebook email is just asking for accessibility problems.

Most students have cell phones that can access Facebook via dedicated apps, touch.facebook.com, or m.facebook.com.

Why would anybody need a work/school computer behind a content filter anymore?

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post #193

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I trust I can read my gMail over SSL without someone firesheeping me. Can I do that with Facebook right now?

Incidentally, facebook has SSL as well: https://facebook.com . Unfortunately, it's not the default and there doesn't appear to be any way to force it.

I use HTTPS everywhere and it seems to work. Facebook chat doesn't, though.

I don't like using GMail too much, but I'll be damned if I let Facebook see anymore of what I communicate than what it does now.

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post #171

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My understanding of that was that the individual in question (was there more than one person?) clicked through confirmation screens without looking at them, assuming that everything would be okay. It is not Google's fault when users are idiots. However, I may be wrong; I only recall one instance of this happening with Buzz, and may simply have missed other ones. Other times when google violated privacy which I rememb…

Google is not evil by nature (though i have my own doubts) and Facebook is also not evil by nature. Facebook simply has a different philosophy on _sharing_. They believe that people should share everything and be more social. If this is not something people are not comfortable with, then those people have no business in signing up for facebook and complaining that everything is shared by default. As far as Google's p…

Both are semi-evil towards end-users by virtue of these end-users being the product, rather than the customers they imagine themselves to be.

Google tries to reach the unevil side, by giving you as full control of your data as they can, and not cross over the creepy line (although they are always near it).

Facebook doesn't, and therefore finds itself on the evil side almost all the time. It's not that they want to be evil that makes them evil; It's just that not avoiding becoming evil makes them that way, and they do not try to avoid it in any way. (Plus, evil is more lucrative).

Re: Facebook’s Gmail Killer, Project Titan, Is Coming On Monday

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post #193

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I trust I can read my gMail over SSL without someone firesheeping me. Can I do that with Facebook right now?

Incidentally, facebook has SSL as well: https://facebook.com . Unfortunately, it's not the default and there doesn't appear to be any way to force it.

You can force it through a few extensions. I'm on chrome, and I've been using https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/obfehkohhfbooodo...

Works fairly well, but it loads the main page and then refreshes into SSL. I'm sure there are similar extensions for firefox, etc.

Re: Facebook’s Gmail Killer, Project Titan, Is Coming On Monday

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I may be being slow on the uptake not to have spotted this before, but it hit me last week - 99% of my personal mail - both email and physical mail - is either companies sending out notices (adverts, bills, whatever...) or websites I subscribe to telling me there's something I should see. Direct personal communication has very largely shifted off the platform. Interestingly, that doesn't yet seem to be the case for c…

Cut that crap out. That's why people hate email. It is trivial in almost all cases nowadays to get off of those sorts of lists. Today I have gotten emails: interview info from MS, an announcement as to why the University's power went out, payroll setup info for my Uni, tech advice from a startup friend, and an email from my TA about my lab today. None of that would have been visible/accessible or possible to communic…

Actually, that _is_ pruned. I'm only getting the notices I want / need for various reasons, not the spam, and do periodically dump senders who aren't interesting any more. Yet I still end up with eMail as overwhelmingly a commercial medium.
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