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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by aphextron »

JohnBooty wrote: post #179
jccalhoun wrote: post #23

As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

Yeah, this is just depressing and honestly a little baffling. Seems contrary to Microsoft's interests - why let Google control this aspect of the Web? (Obviously, MS will maintain their own fork and can permanently fork away whenever they want/need to, I guess, so it's not like they've locked themselves in forever, but still) I actually wasn't aware of the problems with Edge. This is the first I've heard of them... I…

>Yeah, this is just depressing and honestly a little baffling. Seems contrary to Microsoft's interests - why let Google control this aspect of the Web?

Chromium != Google. Chromium is the FOSS project that Chrome is based off of.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by alpb »

I honestly wondered, while I was at Microsoft‚ why this has not happened with Edge from the beginning. Microsoft knew how problematic mshtml.dll was and how frequently it led to zero-day vulnerabilities, while Chrome was not having any high-profile 0-days for many months, maybe years.

Edge was mostly a UI remake of MSIE and it used mostly the same security model, rendering engine etc. It was never a real value add over MSIE.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by [deleted] »

happymellon wrote: post #197
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

How can I test Edge when Microsoft don't release it for Mac and Linux? A browser for a single OS? Talk about monoculture.

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by Osiris »

baby wrote: post #207

Microsoft please, can we have the tabs on the side by default? There is a lot of vertical space that is unused and it is a thousand times more practical to have tabs there on the left or on the right. Try Tree Style Tabs for a week on Firefox and you will understand why it is the future of browsing the web.

Look at Vivaldi. It's a reimplementation of classic Opera 12 style browser as a Chromium-based browser. It supports tabs on all four sides by default.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by [deleted] »

happymellon wrote: post #197
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

How can I test Edge when Microsoft don't release it for Mac and Linux? A browser for a single OS? Talk about monoculture.

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by ComputerGuru »

jhare wrote: post #195
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Why do we devs get the blame for avoiding their crap browser all that has burned us over and over? Repeatedly. For years. Hours and hours of frustration on this front. Encouraging the best-working alternative is the creation of monoculture? C'mon

Edge isn’t IE. That you don’t know that is indicative of the problem.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by ukulele »

baggsie wrote: post #202
happymellon wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can I test Edge when Microsoft don't release it for Mac and Linux? A browser for a single OS? Talk about monoculture.

The same way you test safari on a Win or Linux machine?

I don't think they were advocating for Safari either...

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by pcwalton »

aphextron wrote: post #211
JohnBooty wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this is just depressing and honestly a little baffling. Seems contrary to Microsoft's interests - why let Google control this aspect of the Web? (Obviously, MS will maintain their own fork and can permanently fork away whenever they want/need to, I guess, so it's not like they've locked themselves in forever, but still) I actually wasn't aware of the problems with Edge. This is the first I've heard of them... I…

>Yeah, this is just depressing and honestly a little baffling. Seems contrary to Microsoft's interests - why let Google control this aspect of the Web? Chromium != Google. Chromium is the FOSS project that Chrome is based off of.

An overwhelming majority of the committers to Chromium, as well as the leadership, are in the Google reporting structure.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by pcwalton »

Osiris wrote: post #196
jccalhoun wrote: post #23

As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

It's interesting, I don't see this argument made against other open source projects that are dominant, such as the Linux kernel. I rarely see people saying that there need to be competing kernel projects with completely separate code bases but all trying to conform to the same ABI, etc. (Yes, I know there are other kernels out there, but my point is that people don't complain that Linux is so dominant like they do ab…

And the OS kernel monoculture is to the open source world's detriment. I think it's fantastic that Fuchsia is going to give Linux a run for its money: Fuchsia is fundamentally better architected in numerous ways than Linux is.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by rvense »

Osiris wrote: post #196
jccalhoun wrote: post #23

As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

It's interesting, I don't see this argument made against other open source projects that are dominant, such as the Linux kernel. I rarely see people saying that there need to be competing kernel projects with completely separate code bases but all trying to conform to the same ABI, etc. (Yes, I know there are other kernels out there, but my point is that people don't complain that Linux is so dominant like they do ab…

If Linux was owned and controlled by Google, I think it would be a lot more controversial.
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