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Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by SyneRyder »

slededit wrote: post #135
gruez wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Windows 10 you can still install 16-bit apps what? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/896458/64-bit-versi...

They ship 32-bit versions still to support those people. As a former msft engineer it was a huge pain in the ass to have to build the 32-bit version all the time - but customers used and relied on it.

As someone with a 32-bit Windows 10, thank you!

I have it installed on an old 2006 MacBook, so Microsoft was still providing updates for a 12 year old machine... one that Apple itself abandoned after just 6 years. It's one of my favorite examples of Microsoft's longer support for old hardware.

And for what it's worth, after 12 years and 3 Mac purchases, I've switched & just bought a PC again.

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Post by oaiey »

NotANaN wrote: post #97

I wonder how much of the increasing success of Azure is creditable to its deep integration with Visual Studio Code.

There is no deep integration. Some plugins yes. It is driven by that motivation. I use VS Code daily and never read the word Azure there.

My opinion on your question: Not much. The interesting question is: How much the good will (VS Code, .NET Core, Linux support,...) of the last year's pay out

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Post by pm90 »

tmvnty wrote: post #142

I'd like to comment a few things made me appreciate and enjoy Google/Cloud services and I am aware they are very subjective to my personal experience as a student and beginner to web dev, but there are many folks like me so I could be speaking for them too. Resources, Resources and Resources! As a self-taught web developer, I struggled a lot when it comes to learning anything about web developments, and whenever I fo…

So. Much. This.

Google has done an excellent job with their Cloud documentation, including many useful howto sections. When we raise issues with them, they are quick to update the documentation with "gotchas" so there isn't tribal knowledge about this floating around in every company.

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Post by tyler_larson »

I dug into the details earlier this year, and it turned out at the time that Microsoft counts some undisclosed but significant percentage of revenue from sales of Office 365 in their "Commercial Cloud" category, even if you buy it in a box at a store... because in theory that box entitles you to Office In the Cloud. This (Azure plus some percentage of Office) is the "Azure" revenue number that gets compared to AWS and GCP to determine the market share number that you see in all the graphs.

Can anyone confirm/deny? I'm reasonably certain this is right from my reading of financial reports, but I'm no accountant.

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Post by Bucephalus355 »

tyler_larson wrote: post #214

I dug into the details earlier this year, and it turned out at the time that Microsoft counts some undisclosed but significant percentage of revenue from sales of Office 365 in their "Commercial Cloud" category, even if you buy it in a box at a store... because in theory that box entitles you to Office In the Cloud. This (Azure plus some percentage of Office) is the "Azure" revenue number that gets compared to AWS an…

This is very true. There are lots of gamification the providers play to “juice” the numbers.

Here’s one example (apologies for picking on IBM). So IBM will sell you a million dollars of software for $1, and then force you to buy $600,000 of cloud even if you never use it. You don’t complain because you got a 40% discount, and IBM can “book” 600k in cloud revenue.

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Post by lozenge »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #189
shittyadmin wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't even tell you how many connectivity and graphics technologies MS launched, I developed on, and then they abandoned. How many of these technologies still function on Windows 10? As far as I know many of their abandoned platforms are still fully functional. Even in Windows 10 you can still install 16-bit apps. They've always been dedicated to compatibility... try running a few year old app on a modern smartph…

Not to mention that windows still sticks with carriage return + line feed to maintain compatibility with the 1960s.

Notepad & its underlying text box component support Unix style line endings now.

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Post by MR4D »

why_only_15 wrote: post #146
MR4D wrote: post #140

I predict they will settle for fourth - after Apple. Give it 2 years, 4 tops.

Why do you think that Apple will enter the cloud? Apple hasn't been a real contender in servers for a decade, and it seems like their strength lies more in the design than in raw technical capabilities.

iCloud, iWork(web based), email, Time Machine(backup), Messages, Apple Pay.

Those are some of the things that Apple already does in the cloud. I anticipate it will expand significantly as they grow their services business.

Whether they build a “server” is irrelevant - the “service” however, is key.

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Post by tzury »

From product perspective, Google cloud is far ahead from AWS and Azure.

As one who runs a company that operates on all 3, serving over 3b+ HTTPS requests daily, across 250K of web apps, in all continents, I can say clear and simple:

    GCP Compute, Networking stack and storage are a superior product when compared to AWS and Azure.
For every dollar you pay:

  - You get more compute power per core, while paying less.

  - You get faster network, internal and external, with an amazing layer of load-balancing and Anycast IP.

  - You get the best "data processing at scale".
Google has a business problem rather than product. A smart man once told me,

    In B2C, the one with the better product is most likely to win.
    In B2B, the one with the larger sales team will.
Perhaps, Google is still learning that vast majority of business, especially the larger ones are not about easy self sign up, rather face-to-face meetings, price quotes, negotiations, etc. It is a different culture that almost as oppose to how they used to run things thus far.

Figures don't lie however, and revenue streams are the oxygen of a business.

All it takes for GCP to get the crown would be a series of right and bold decisions by its executives, which I hope they will make those eventually, since the product deserves a wider recognition.

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Post by MR4D »

romed wrote: post #154
MR4D wrote: post #140

I predict they will settle for fourth - after Apple. Give it 2 years, 4 tops.

Apple's cloud is already stored on Google's cloud. How do you figure it will work? Apple and Google cloud will somehow become mutually self-hosting?

Great question. Apple has a long history on building on the shoulders of giants....and then building their own giant.

Further, they also have a long history of playing suppliers against each other in order to get the best terms.

Finally, Apple occasionally works hard to move away from companies it fights with - Adobe and Qualcomm are two notable ones there, as are the social media firms like Facebook.

As for evidence, I’d offer up this report on future data center spending that they are planning. You don’t have as many data centers and add to it in this magnitude without having a solid strategy.

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/news/apple-will-spend-mor...

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Post by scirocco »

tzury wrote: post #218

From product perspective, Google cloud is far ahead from AWS and Azure. As one who runs a company that operates on all 3, serving over 3b+ HTTPS requests daily, across 250K of web apps, in all continents, I can say clear and simple: GCP Compute, Networking stack and storage are a superior product when compared to AWS and Azure. For every dollar you pay: - You get more compute power per core, while paying less. - You…

As someone who works in sales, I totally agree.

People in procurement are often measured on the amount of discount they can get. Try getting that when you purchase online.

In the Nordics you can't compare the "salesforce" of AWS and Google with the army that is the Azure-team.

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