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Not exercising worse than smoking, diabetes and heart disease study finds

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Re: Not exercising worse than smoking, diabetes and heart disease study finds

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Your first priority should be taking care of yourself. Remember the plane safety demonstration? You always put your own mask on first, even if it seems selfish. You're in the best position to help others and make good decisions when you feel stability in your own life. Making sure you'll be around a long time also makes you last longer as a resource to society, and to your family. You can't do any of those things you…

Ya right. I work with politicians day to day. You have no idea how much society would benefit if they all died in their 60s.

How about before they get elected?

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My work provides a gym, and I go there for at least an hour every weekday. I'd rather do poorly at work then skip exercising to be honest. I see some of the older employees coming in trying to reverse the effects of a sedentary lifestyle and I do not envy that position. It's crazy how people will deprioritze their health. It should always be a person's #1 priority to live as long as possible. Of course, diet is also…

"It should always be a person's #1 priority to live as long as possible." Living as well and as beneficently as possible might be higher priorities. The older folks with the desk jobs are often quite literally sacrificing their own well-being for their family's, "deprioritizing their health" for another priority. "You could not do more with your money than get professional help in steering your body" You could donate…

Virtue signaling? Your main priority should always be yourself. No one, except yourself, will look out for you.

Re: Not exercising worse than smoking, diabetes and heart disease study finds

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7.5 hours or more per week of gym is an extreme amount that elite athletes might think twice about, not to mention that it's not recommended by anyone. Where is the conflict? That article itself says: “This [study] doesn’t apply to 99% of people”

> 7.5 hours or more per week of gym is an extreme amount that elite athletes might think twice about I personally have plenty of friends that run, swim or gym session for an hour 7 days a week. Elite athletes are doing more like 2-5 hours per day. My brother in law runs ultra marathons (just for fun), and runs somewhere between 1-3 hours every single day of his life. For fun.

I personally do more than 7.5 hours of "exercise" but all the people I know doing 7.5 hours of "gym" are highly injury-prone.

I guess the article doesn't make it clear what counts.

Re: Not exercising worse than smoking, diabetes and heart disease study finds

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My work provides a gym, and I go there for at least an hour every weekday. I'd rather do poorly at work then skip exercising to be honest. I see some of the older employees coming in trying to reverse the effects of a sedentary lifestyle and I do not envy that position. It's crazy how people will deprioritze their health. It should always be a person's #1 priority to live as long as possible. Of course, diet is also…

> “It should always be a person's #1 priority to live as long as possible.” Why? I personally don’t want to live as long as possible, definitely not if I develop some kind of neurodegerative disorder. I’d honestly be happy with 65. I don’t see too many people over the age 65 who I envy. Diet and exercise are big contributors to preventing heart disease, but when it comes to things like the vast array of cancers it’s…

Roger Daltrey famously said "I hope I die before I get old" in 1965.

He's 74 now...

Re: Not exercising worse than smoking, diabetes and heart disease study finds

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Do you also not brush your teeth? Strength training can be as simple as doing one of squats, pushups, or pullups every day. Work towards 2-3 sets of 10-20 reps. Add weight (or reduce assistance) as necessary. You've just made a huge difference in how your body feels, and it takes as much time each day as brushing and flossing your teeth.

I agree with you, but someone couldn't do the squats portion at home without a squat rack, right? Or substituting something like pistols. I definitely think all homes should have a pullup bar. They can be had cheaply, and easily attached to doorframes. A good way to add quickly pulling motions for $30.

Do body-weight squats to start, but do more of them. Then grab a couple 30lb dumbbells and hold them while you squat. If you can do 100 squats holding 30lb dumbbells, you are way ahead of the curve.

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I got into running, thinking that I wanted to try for a half-marathon. I actually worked up to the distance surprisingly quickly. I was under 30 at the time and it took like 2 months, and before that I wasn't running at all or doing any other exercise regularly. I started having some knee pain (flat feet don't help) and stopped after it became painful to run even a mile or two. About a year later, I fell on a skatebo…

Something like 50% of runners get injured in a given year. It’s insane. Do something that’s easier on your body. If you want cardio, hike or bike. I like weight lifting, personally. If you want to try weight lifting, check out Starting Strength.

No way. That's not true. I've been running for 10 years now. Never have I been injured. Also my friends did not suffer injuries neither. If you like lifting, that's fine. But that does not mean running is worse that lifting or that you could even compare them. It just means that you are used to lifting and you are rationalising your choice.

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I agree with you, but someone couldn't do the squats portion at home without a squat rack, right? Or substituting something like pistols. I definitely think all homes should have a pullup bar. They can be had cheaply, and easily attached to doorframes. A good way to add quickly pulling motions for $30.

Do body-weight squats to start, but do more of them. Then grab a couple 30lb dumbbells and hold them while you squat. If you can do 100 squats holding 30lb dumbbells, you are way ahead of the curve.

Fair enough. Structurally, are dumbbell squats safe like barbell squats? Or are they only good at lower weights?

I may try higher rep dumbbell squats, I've been looking for a way to workout purely at home. Is there a deadlift targeting version too?

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A regular personal trainer at a top gym is $12k/year. That’s not that much. It’s approx $23k pre-tax which isn’t a game changer tbh.

You do realize that for an average American that’s half of their annual income?

But we aren’t average are we, Bruce?

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That's a very shortsighted statement, but I can see where you're coming from. I thought the same way when I was in my late teens/early twenties. Was a way for me to justify unhealthy food, smoking and alcohol. Now I'm 30 and slowly realized it's not true. Living healthy when you're young doesn't have short-term reward. But I'm pretty sure when you're 50+ you'll be happy that you ate healthy, exercised and had a way t…

I’m older than you. When I was younger I thought you had more control over your health. Now I realize the amount of control you really have is minimal. It seems like a crapshoot. I see older people who did nothing to take care of themselves doing just fine, and plenty of fit people whose health is surprisingly bad. I see some people over 65 who can do what they once did, but they are the exceptions. I see how diet an…

Of course you could be perfectly healthy and then get a bad disease, or get run over by a bus. But life is about probability.

And living healthy increases your probability of living a longer, healthier life. And as this study shows, it increases it by a significant factor.

Of course, the wonderful thing about life is that you can make your own choices. And if you don't want to eat healthy and work out, and are fine with the consequences, that's totally ok.

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> There is serious disagreement about this (the two camps being cardio vs strength training, basically). Huh, strange to hear this. I do strength training (basically a lot of compound lifts like squats and deadlifts and so on) and I consider them to be a cardio. If I do a speedy 12 rep set, I am properly spent and breathing heavy and see my heart rate at 160 and above

> If I do a speedy 12 rep set, I am properly spent That the simplest way to know it's not cardio - you can't sustain it for a long period.

Tabata intervals is most definitely cardio, and you can't do a sufficiently hard one more than around 4 minutes.
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